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Sounds like the job just treated devs as replaceable, identical "units", but the author comes across as an individual. The management would hate any sign of li

Sounds like the job just treated devs as replaceable, identical "units", but the author comes across as an individual. The management would hate any sign of life from the "units".

travoltaj 5y ago
It's pretty common in outsourcing companies. Even in a lot of product based companies tbh. I had to push quite a bit to get people to stop referring to SWEs as "resources"..
- gkop 5y ago
  I usually hear “resources” used in the abstract, which was grating the first time, but I’ve gotten over. Are you hearing that literally? Would you share an example sentence?
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  - jxidjhdhdhdhfhf 5y ago
    "We need to move two more resources onto this project in order to meet our deadlines." I hear stuff like this all the time.
    - gkop 5y ago
      Yuck
  - travoltaj 5y ago
    Very literally. "We'll get a new front-end resource soon". "We're opening two more backfills for backend resources". "We need a front-end resource to unblock this ticket". I have a interview on Monday which I will decline. Literally copy pasting from their meeting invite - "Request to panel-Please Take Resource Snapshot along with Any ID Proof and share the Feedback along with IRF post completion of interview." It's gross.
    - gkop 5y ago
      Wow
    - Aeolun 5y ago
      What’s a resource snapshot? A weird way of saying ‘your impression of the applicant’?
      - travoltaj 5y ago
        "Resource Snapshot along with Any ID Proof" - It means a screenshot of the interviewee and their ID proof together. It's a virtual interview invite. They usually ask the interviewees to hold up their ID proof, then take screenshots, before starting the interview.
        gkop 5y ago
        What industry are you in?
        travoltaj 5y ago
        I'm a Software Engineer. Currently I'm working for a USA based product company with ~1000 employees (The ones who said "We'll get a new front-end resource soon". "We're opening two more backfills for backend resources". "We need a front-end resource to unblock this ticket".) The interview invite was for the position of a Tech Lead in an outsourcing firm in India. (The ones who said "Request to panel-Please Take Resource Snapshot along with Any ID Proof and share the Feedback along with IRF post completion of interview." Edit: In a recent anonymous survey, I gave the feedback to stop treating the India employees as code monkeys or outsourced work, because several have started considering this as "yet another service-company type job", and are thinking to leave. With outsourcing companies, you expect it. But if most indian engineers had clarified that "the India office is not a outsourcing office for this company" before joining, people are gonna be more pissed on being treated like that.
jjtheblunt 5y ago
when i spent not quite a year working for (non AWS) Amazon, a document was leaked that such treatment was actually business plan. It was beyond obvious before the document was leaked. I contrasted the structure of several years of Apple engineering with the insanity of this business plan, which put roughly a dozen layers of non technical middle managers above our team of people with pretty hardcore technical degrees and who were dependable and capable, yet who were treated like fungible assets. I became resolute to quit as soon as possible...but it DID take months to believe my perceptions of the stupidity were valid. Life's too short to spend working for oligarchs.
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- smordistan 5y ago
  Only you knew this before you accepted the job offer with the dollar signs.
  - jjtheblunt 5y ago
    Oh no i did not. It was extreme bait and switch.
sjmm1989 5y ago
That's pretty much kitchen rotations 101. If you ever wonder why your food isn't cooked right, this is why. They always have new people having to reacclimate to a new kitchen on a regular basis. And then they claim they can't find anyone decent to do the job. It's absolutely a lie on their parts. They use the probationary period laws incorrectly to fire people they don't like for literally any reason, even if it might be discrimination, cause they can just claim "no reason, I just don't like you." It's fucking amazing how much these motherfuckers will screw with people too. I've been kept on for jobs until the last day of my probation, or a week away, or a month away... and let go for 'no reason'. I would love to know the reason. Perhaps I can do something about it. But nope... if you even insist on getting some truth from these people... they just start fighting you. Sometimes even physically. I have no fucking clue what is wrong with them, or me if that's the case at this point. Anyone looking to get into the 'normal' job market best avoid the kitchen industry. It's going nuclear, slowly. I'm getting out of the industry as fast as possible. BUT... Until I have enough money saved aside to do just that, I have to keep working in it... and keep getting my record of employment tarnished more and more because of their dumb bullshit. I wish I could just sue them all. Can't though. They are legal, even if evil.

Sounds like the job just treated devs as replaceable, identical "units", but the author comes across as an individual. The management would hate any sign of life from the "units".

travoltaj 5y ago

It's pretty common in outsourcing companies. Even in a lot of product based companies tbh. I had to push quite a bit to get people to stop referring to SWEs as "resources"..

gkop 5y ago
I usually hear “resources” used in the abstract, which was grating the first time, but I’ve gotten over. Are you hearing that literally? Would you share an example sentence?
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- jxidjhdhdhdhfhf 5y ago
  "We need to move two more resources onto this project in order to meet our deadlines." I hear stuff like this all the time.
  - gkop 5y ago
    Yuck
- travoltaj 5y ago
  Very literally. "We'll get a new front-end resource soon". "We're opening two more backfills for backend resources". "We need a front-end resource to unblock this ticket". I have a interview on Monday which I will decline. Literally copy pasting from their meeting invite - "Request to panel-Please Take Resource Snapshot along with Any ID Proof and share the Feedback along with IRF post completion of interview." It's gross.
  - gkop 5y ago
    Wow
  - Aeolun 5y ago
    What’s a resource snapshot? A weird way of saying ‘your impression of the applicant’?
    - travoltaj 5y ago
      "Resource Snapshot along with Any ID Proof" - It means a screenshot of the interviewee and their ID proof together. It's a virtual interview invite. They usually ask the interviewees to hold up their ID proof, then take screenshots, before starting the interview.
      - gkop 5y ago
        What industry are you in?
        travoltaj 5y ago
        I'm a Software Engineer. Currently I'm working for a USA based product company with ~1000 employees (The ones who said "We'll get a new front-end resource soon". "We're opening two more backfills for backend resources". "We need a front-end resource to unblock this ticket".) The interview invite was for the position of a Tech Lead in an outsourcing firm in India. (The ones who said "Request to panel-Please Take Resource Snapshot along with Any ID Proof and share the Feedback along with IRF post completion of interview." Edit: In a recent anonymous survey, I gave the feedback to stop treating the India employees as code monkeys or outsourced work, because several have started considering this as "yet another service-company type job", and are thinking to leave. With outsourcing companies, you expect it. But if most indian engineers had clarified that "the India office is not a outsourcing office for this company" before joining, people are gonna be more pissed on being treated like that.

jjtheblunt 5y ago

when i spent not quite a year working for (non AWS) Amazon, a document was leaked that such treatment was actually business plan. It was beyond obvious before the document was leaked. I contrasted the structure of several years of Apple engineering with the insanity of this business plan, which put roughly a dozen layers of non technical middle managers above our team of people with pretty hardcore technical degrees and who were dependable and capable, yet who were treated like fungible assets. I became resolute to quit as soon as possible...but it DID take months to believe my perceptions of the stupidity were valid. Life's too short to spend working for oligarchs.

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smordistan 5y ago
Only you knew this before you accepted the job offer with the dollar signs.
- jjtheblunt 5y ago
  Oh no i did not. It was extreme bait and switch.

sjmm1989 5y ago

That's pretty much kitchen rotations 101. If you ever wonder why your food isn't cooked right, this is why. They always have new people having to reacclimate to a new kitchen on a regular basis. And then they claim they can't find anyone decent to do the job. It's absolutely a lie on their parts. They use the probationary period laws incorrectly to fire people they don't like for literally any reason, even if it might be discrimination, cause they can just claim "no reason, I just don't like you." It's fucking amazing how much these motherfuckers will screw with people too. I've been kept on for jobs until the last day of my probation, or a week away, or a month away... and let go for 'no reason'. I would love to know the reason. Perhaps I can do something about it. But nope... if you even insist on getting some truth from these people... they just start fighting you. Sometimes even physically. I have no fucking clue what is wrong with them, or me if that's the case at this point. Anyone looking to get into the 'normal' job market best avoid the kitchen industry. It's going nuclear, slowly. I'm getting out of the industry as fast as possible. BUT... Until I have enough money saved aside to do just that, I have to keep working in it... and keep getting my record of employment tarnished more and more because of their dumb bullshit. I wish I could just sue them all. Can't though. They are legal, even if evil.