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But it’s annoying to program. You need the same records as an undo/redo system, except they’re only applied after approval. Finance does it because everyone kn

But it’s annoying to program. You need the same records as an undo/redo system, except they’re only applied after approval. Finance does it because everyone knows finance is boring already, but I’m not sure it would be possible to retain a JS programmer in another sector if the 6-eye principle had to be applied for every modification. It’s already hard to motivate them for i18n…

wiz21c 5y ago
> It’s already hard to motivate them for i18n… don't even talk about rounding issues !
Thorentis 5y ago
Maybe stop hiring 19 year olds who just did a "become a Web developer in 6 weeks" bootcamp to code your core security features then. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
- laurent92 5y ago
  I pay $120k. Still hard to motivate people.
  - RL_Quine 5y ago
    That's terrible for a security position. No wonder they aren't motivated.
    - School-Cotton 5y ago
      That depends entirely on where the job is located. $120k is probably only "terrible" in the coastal USA and maybe Switzerland.
      - laurent92 5y ago
        It’s in France, it’s just for Java + React not rocket science. Claiming $120k is a shit salary is really entitled, it’s among the top 20% of engineers in France and top 7% of an entire country. For Java and React. Glad I don’t have him among my employees.
        RL_Quine 5y ago
        Your security staff have access to literally everything in your company, visibility into all communication and trust with physical devices. If they're not the highest paid of your engineering staff you screwed up. Glad I don't have the misery of being your employee.
        NtGuy25 5y ago
        This is one of the biggest issues people don't realize. A react dev doing fully frontend stuff is usually paid more than a security guy. Management views this as the developer making a product and giving money. But with insurance no longer covering hacks like they used to, and with the absolute amount of ways into organizations, security people can literally save a company from millions of losses and possible collapse.
        dboreham 5y ago
        > It’s in France Perhaps better not to post a US$ denominated salary for a non-US location?
matwood 5y ago
i18n? Slow down there. Let's get a11y done first.
abrichr 5y ago
If we were people like us, how would we solve this problem? i.s. What does an MVP consist of?

wiz21c 5y ago

> It’s already hard to motivate them for i18n… don't even talk about rounding issues !

Thorentis 5y ago

Maybe stop hiring 19 year olds who just did a "become a Web developer in 6 weeks" bootcamp to code your core security features then. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

laurent92 5y ago
I pay $120k. Still hard to motivate people.
- RL_Quine 5y ago
  That's terrible for a security position. No wonder they aren't motivated.
  - School-Cotton 5y ago
    That depends entirely on where the job is located. $120k is probably only "terrible" in the coastal USA and maybe Switzerland.
    - laurent92 5y ago
      It’s in France, it’s just for Java + React not rocket science. Claiming $120k is a shit salary is really entitled, it’s among the top 20% of engineers in France and top 7% of an entire country. For Java and React. Glad I don’t have him among my employees.
      - RL_Quine 5y ago
        Your security staff have access to literally everything in your company, visibility into all communication and trust with physical devices. If they're not the highest paid of your engineering staff you screwed up. Glad I don't have the misery of being your employee.
        NtGuy25 5y ago
        This is one of the biggest issues people don't realize. A react dev doing fully frontend stuff is usually paid more than a security guy. Management views this as the developer making a product and giving money. But with insurance no longer covering hacks like they used to, and with the absolute amount of ways into organizations, security people can literally save a company from millions of losses and possible collapse.
      - dboreham 5y ago
        > It’s in France Perhaps better not to post a US$ denominated salary for a non-US location?

matwood 5y ago

i18n? Slow down there. Let's get a11y done first.

abrichr 5y ago

If we were people like us, how would we solve this problem? i.s. What does an MVP consist of?