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I said "for actions they take that harm others", and you jumped to some trivial difference of opinion. If the difference of opinion is supporting policy that hu

by Latty 5y ago

I said "for actions they take that harm others", and you jumped to some trivial difference of opinion. If the difference of opinion is supporting policy that hurts me or people I care about, then yes, of course it can harm me. You are saying that someone can use freedom of expression to say people I care about should not have human rights, but I can't say those people shouldn't be employed by some company. Freedom of expression swings both ways. I agree we should think about the harm done, ensure it is real, and what level of consequence is reasonable before acting, but that doesn't mean there are no situations action is justified.

ThrowawayR2 5y ago
> "You are saying that someone can use freedom of expression to say people I care about should not have human rights, but I can't say those people shouldn't be employed by some company." Like unborn fetuses? (I am pro-choice by the way.) The pro-life side care about them and feel they should have human rights and, by the silly paradox of tolerance people seem to love to quote, they're even justified in not tolerating those who don't tolerate their beliefs. So do you really believe that freedom of expression swings both ways and are willing to allow them to enact their consequences on those who don't agree with them? Maybe you should rethink the implications of what you are saying.
- Latty 5y ago
  Yes. I believe that those people should be able to judge me and socially shun me, including calling for my firing, if I express that I am pro-choice. I think they are wrong, but it's on me to try and persuade enough people that I'm right. If they see it as I support murdering innocent people, then how can I possibly demand they hand me money, interact with me normally, etc...? I'm certainly not going to employ someone who says "I think we should kill <group of people>". I think they are fundamentally wrong about the core concept, I don't think it's right for them to "cancel" people over that as a result, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal to do so, because forcing people to support behaviour they find abhorrent is worse.
jimbokun 5y ago
Don’t yell fire in a crowded theatre. Do not libel or slander people. Do not advocate for violence. Those kinds of speech can directly harm people. But that is a very small part of the kinds of speech involved in what’s commonly called “cancel culture”.

by Latty 5y ago

ThrowawayR2 5y ago

> "You are saying that someone can use freedom of expression to say people I care about should not have human rights, but I can't say those people shouldn't be employed by some company." Like unborn fetuses? (I am pro-choice by the way.) The pro-life side care about them and feel they should have human rights and, by the silly paradox of tolerance people seem to love to quote, they're even justified in not tolerating those who don't tolerate their beliefs. So do you really believe that freedom of expression swings both ways and are willing to allow them to enact their consequences on those who don't agree with them? Maybe you should rethink the implications of what you are saying.

Latty 5y ago
Yes. I believe that those people should be able to judge me and socially shun me, including calling for my firing, if I express that I am pro-choice. I think they are wrong, but it's on me to try and persuade enough people that I'm right. If they see it as I support murdering innocent people, then how can I possibly demand they hand me money, interact with me normally, etc...? I'm certainly not going to employ someone who says "I think we should kill <group of people>". I think they are fundamentally wrong about the core concept, I don't think it's right for them to "cancel" people over that as a result, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal to do so, because forcing people to support behaviour they find abhorrent is worse.

jimbokun 5y ago

Don’t yell fire in a crowded theatre. Do not libel or slander people. Do not advocate for violence. Those kinds of speech can directly harm people. But that is a very small part of the kinds of speech involved in what’s commonly called “cancel culture”.