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> a cellphone can beat all but the absolute top end dedicated cameras and even then only for niches Until you zoom in, and then it's all a big smudge. Unless y

> a cellphone can beat all but the absolute top end dedicated cameras and even then only for niches Until you zoom in, and then it's all a big smudge. Unless you are talking about $1k+ cellphones only, which is outside of the price range of most.

astrange 5y ago
Prime lenses on cameras are much better quality for the same price, so the best kind of zoom is already the one with your feet.
- Jiejeing 5y ago
  I meant, when you open the image at its true resolution on a computer. But I agree that prime lenses are close to always better in quality than variable length ones, even if for some situations you need a telephoto anyway (and having a fixed 300mm in my pocket does not seem practical).
  - astrange 5y ago
    There is that, but I feel like pixel resolution turns out to not matter pretty often. Obviously it does matter if you’re cropping or blowing it up for a background etc, but even printing can look good with a low res image if you’re viewing it from far enough away. They do make clip-on zoom lenses for phones but I haven’t actually used any, not sure how much they help.
    - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
      Surprising decent even with cheap plastic lenses. I was surprised anyway, after not expecting much.
- jrockway 5y ago
  My experience with the iPhone camera (X) is that smudge artifacts (AI, compression) are quite noticeable even on the device's screen. As soon as you put that on your 30" desktop monitor, the photo is nearly unviewable. This hasn't been my experience with mirrorless cameras, whose output looks pretty good at 1:1 on a 100dpi screen. There are two photographs that come to mind where the iPhone utterly disappointed me. One was a morning park scene, rays of light filtering through leaves. The leaves just looks liked blobs. Another was on a boat at night; with my eyes I could clearly see texture in the buildings on the illuminated skyline, reflections on the water, and texture in the water. The iPhone shot was just a black screen with some blurred specks of light. I know I could have gotten both of those photographs with my A7ii. I have handheld nighttime pictures with stars in the sky. A big sensor gathers a lot of light, and even more important than getting close is collecting as much light as you can.
  - nyuszika7h 5y ago
    iPhone cameras have evolved a lot since the X. There have been 4 generations of iPhones released since then.
lupire 5y ago
$1k cellphones are extremely popular with the public and people who post photos online.

astrange 5y ago

Prime lenses on cameras are much better quality for the same price, so the best kind of zoom is already the one with your feet.

Jiejeing 5y ago
I meant, when you open the image at its true resolution on a computer. But I agree that prime lenses are close to always better in quality than variable length ones, even if for some situations you need a telephoto anyway (and having a fixed 300mm in my pocket does not seem practical).
- astrange 5y ago
  There is that, but I feel like pixel resolution turns out to not matter pretty often. Obviously it does matter if you’re cropping or blowing it up for a background etc, but even printing can look good with a low res image if you’re viewing it from far enough away. They do make clip-on zoom lenses for phones but I haven’t actually used any, not sure how much they help.
  - hackerfromthefu 5y ago
    Surprising decent even with cheap plastic lenses. I was surprised anyway, after not expecting much.
jrockway 5y ago
My experience with the iPhone camera (X) is that smudge artifacts (AI, compression) are quite noticeable even on the device's screen. As soon as you put that on your 30" desktop monitor, the photo is nearly unviewable. This hasn't been my experience with mirrorless cameras, whose output looks pretty good at 1:1 on a 100dpi screen. There are two photographs that come to mind where the iPhone utterly disappointed me. One was a morning park scene, rays of light filtering through leaves. The leaves just looks liked blobs. Another was on a boat at night; with my eyes I could clearly see texture in the buildings on the illuminated skyline, reflections on the water, and texture in the water. The iPhone shot was just a black screen with some blurred specks of light. I know I could have gotten both of those photographs with my A7ii. I have handheld nighttime pictures with stars in the sky. A big sensor gathers a lot of light, and even more important than getting close is collecting as much light as you can.
- nyuszika7h 5y ago
  iPhone cameras have evolved a lot since the X. There have been 4 generations of iPhones released since then.

lupire 5y ago

$1k cellphones are extremely popular with the public and people who post photos online.