These things are undoubtedly cool. Pisonic is great, just vanilla supercollider with the JIT things like Pdef are really cool, Orca, as others have mentioned,

These things are undoubtedly cool. Pisonic is great, just vanilla supercollider with the JIT things like Pdef are really cool, Orca, as others have mentioned, is simply beautiful and work unto itself. But with all these "live" programmable music things, I fail to find anything lasting in what they produce as works of music/art, I much prefer to see the software itself, and its potentialities, as the "work" that others continually express with them. I love making music with computers, but there is so much infrastructure around things needing to be "realtime" and responsive, minimal latency, a million knobs on your controller, abstract grid controllers, high precision encoders (basically anything Monome has done), tons of ways to route and reroute data, all for the purpose of "performing" your toys. All so many things that are not really necessary to create something. Making digital music is so much more rewarding when your are not trying to plan a set to perform them. Thinking about the kinds of things computers can do ahead of time, and not just "just in time," opens up so much more creativity and ways of thinking about making music. And very importantly (for me), you can save your wallet, and not have to get lost in the dark money pit of buying equipment, or wanting to buy equipment, all the time. These things definitely have their place and I think they are themselves beautiful, but there is a tension in them that is not really necessary. If you want to hear some cool things you can make with just some extreme talent, imagination, and MaxMSP, without this emphasis put on being "performable" and realtime, look to Carl Stone [1]. He is just walking circles around everyone else, and really really showing what computers can do in the interest of art, rather than in the interest of being some techno-nerd rockstar. 1. https://unseenworlds.bandcamp.com/album/stolen-car https://unseenworlds.bandcamp.com/album/stolen-car