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Hackers launch attack platform for common people

18 points by hackerwhizz 5y ago

hackerwhizz 5y ago
Finally something great in the fight against Russian infrastructure.
dreen 5y ago
To some people, this may seem stupid, but too me it is really just a civil protest, not unlike blocking a road.
- HstryrsrBttn 5y ago
- switchbak 5y ago
  To some people, blocking a road is an act worthy of invoking the Emergency Measures Act.
  - slenk 5y ago
    When it affects 25% of the value of the goods that come into the US...yeah
    - switchbak 5y ago
      That's not what the measure was used for, the border blockades were shut down easily with existing laws. Yeah.
- q1w2 5y ago
  Blocking a road is actually much worse. Emergency medical services use roads.
- gaius_baltar 5y ago
  It only depends how the government of the day responds for a particular kind of people blocking a road. Brazilian example: a few months ago, truckers (who are mostly in favor of our proto-fascist president Bolsonaro) blocked highways country-wide, while threatening (physically!) others to join or people who tried to pass through their blocks, and got no big response from police. The joke at the time was that the best way to get police to act was call them saying that schoolteachers were conducting a peaceful protest and wait a few minutes for them to come with full force, SWAT-style.
  - tlavoie 5y ago
    Rather similar in Canada, where the suggestion was to tell the police that the trucks contain aboriginal people rather than largely white males. An unarmed, native blockade over a pipeline being rammed through their territory gets an over-the-top response, from heavily militarized federal police.
frgtn 5y ago
I wonder how effective are these attacks when coming from outside Russia? From my limited understanding they can simply block all the traffic coming from abroad and be done with it.
Karawebnetwork 5y ago
Couldn't this have legal ramifications for the user?
- HstryrsrBttn 5y ago
  Yes. Attacking IT systems is illegal in a lot of countries -- independent of the target. In Germany it's definitively illegal. The president of the Federal Office for Information Security https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Sch%C3%B6nbohm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Sch%C3%B6nbohm addressed that in their most current newsletter as a crime. Also: there is a high risk of counter attacks or escalation.
bobsmooth 5y ago
Are DDOSes legal during a war?
- slenk 5y ago
  This is an interesting question - It would seem that governments think that murder is legal during war...what else is?
mszcz 5y ago
As much as I'd like to like this I don't think this will be effective. My undestanding is that 1) this seems easy enough to fingerprint and filter out 2) routing that kind of traffic at BGP will yield no strain on russia's networks or servers 3) it still has to pass through your ISP so it does put a strain on your (country) network 4) your ISP will see that traffic and might mark you as "infected" and act accordingly.
- hackerwhizz 5y ago
  1) Yes, more heavy-duty downloadable white-bot-app for OSX, Linux and Windows coming soon. 2) It actually have proven results of bringing down many of the servers on the list. 3) Correct 4) Possible ofc, but not a real problem. Announcement to get VPN is online.
JPKab 5y ago
I wish it was called something like "f**-putin.com". It's weird how comfortable people are blaming the nation and people of Russia, as if they have a choice in their leadership. It's also weird how high the overlap is between people who champion this anti-Russia rhetoric and simultaneously view equivalent criticisms of China as xenophobic. FWIW, I hold the same line of reasoning with China: Blame Xi, not the humans subjugated by him.
- matkoniecz 5y ago
  Well, there are various indicators that Putin is supported by majority of Russia and Russians. And little to indicate that opposition to Putin has larger popularity. For me "fuck Russia" is OK, though I would be strongly opposed to "fuck Russians".
- dreen 5y ago
  This is partially true but Putin and Xi dont happen in a vacuum. Stalin or Hitler didnt happen in a vacuum. The sanctions put on Russia are also meant to affect civilians, as they are partially responsible for the war. And the west will pay some price for the sanctions too, because they share a part of the responsibility too. However, I agree the author should have picked a better domain name.
imwillofficial 5y ago
I find this dangerous and illegal. Disgusting.
- yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
  …You mean Putin's invasion, right?
  - remarkEon 5y ago
    Adults can believe two things at once: Putin's invasion is bad and a humanitarian catastrophe on a number of dimensions, and that encouraging non-combatant citizens of other countries to engage in illegal activity as a response is also bad and unwise.
q1w2 5y ago
I'm not sure how effective DDoS attacks are. I'd rather support groups like those in Belarus that are thwarting the rail system from transporting Russian armor to the Ukrainian border.
- gaius_baltar 5y ago
  Surely more effective, the problem is that we don't have a way to damage rail infrastructure online -- except, well, for a cyber attack if they are crazy enough to allow SCADA-like systems on net Internet during a war.
  - q1w2 5y ago
    > ...if they are crazy enough to allow SCADA-like systems on net Internet during a war. Rail is just one example, but I am certain that there are many such systems in Russia and Belarus that are online and can provide intelligence or interference. Even something like a hospital patient registration system near the front that counts the number of Russia soldiers is useful - as it's something Russia is trying to hide.
xtiansimon 5y ago
“Eye for an eye make whole world blind.”

18 points by hackerwhizz 5y ago

hackerwhizz 5y ago

Finally something great in the fight against Russian infrastructure.

dreen 5y ago

To some people, this may seem stupid, but too me it is really just a civil protest, not unlike blocking a road.

HstryrsrBttn 5y ago
switchbak 5y ago
To some people, blocking a road is an act worthy of invoking the Emergency Measures Act.
- slenk 5y ago
  When it affects 25% of the value of the goods that come into the US...yeah
  - switchbak 5y ago
    That's not what the measure was used for, the border blockades were shut down easily with existing laws. Yeah.
q1w2 5y ago
Blocking a road is actually much worse. Emergency medical services use roads.
gaius_baltar 5y ago
It only depends how the government of the day responds for a particular kind of people blocking a road. Brazilian example: a few months ago, truckers (who are mostly in favor of our proto-fascist president Bolsonaro) blocked highways country-wide, while threatening (physically!) others to join or people who tried to pass through their blocks, and got no big response from police. The joke at the time was that the best way to get police to act was call them saying that schoolteachers were conducting a peaceful protest and wait a few minutes for them to come with full force, SWAT-style.
- tlavoie 5y ago
  Rather similar in Canada, where the suggestion was to tell the police that the trucks contain aboriginal people rather than largely white males. An unarmed, native blockade over a pipeline being rammed through their territory gets an over-the-top response, from heavily militarized federal police.

frgtn 5y ago

I wonder how effective are these attacks when coming from outside Russia? From my limited understanding they can simply block all the traffic coming from abroad and be done with it.

Karawebnetwork 5y ago

Couldn't this have legal ramifications for the user?

HstryrsrBttn 5y ago
Yes. Attacking IT systems is illegal in a lot of countries -- independent of the target. In Germany it's definitively illegal. The president of the Federal Office for Information Security https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Sch%C3%B6nbohm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Sch%C3%B6nbohm addressed that in their most current newsletter as a crime. Also: there is a high risk of counter attacks or escalation.

bobsmooth 5y ago

Are DDOSes legal during a war?

slenk 5y ago
This is an interesting question - It would seem that governments think that murder is legal during war...what else is?

mszcz 5y ago

As much as I'd like to like this I don't think this will be effective. My undestanding is that 1) this seems easy enough to fingerprint and filter out 2) routing that kind of traffic at BGP will yield no strain on russia's networks or servers 3) it still has to pass through your ISP so it does put a strain on your (country) network 4) your ISP will see that traffic and might mark you as "infected" and act accordingly.

hackerwhizz 5y ago
1) Yes, more heavy-duty downloadable white-bot-app for OSX, Linux and Windows coming soon. 2) It actually have proven results of bringing down many of the servers on the list. 3) Correct 4) Possible ofc, but not a real problem. Announcement to get VPN is online.

JPKab 5y ago

I wish it was called something like "f**-putin.com". It's weird how comfortable people are blaming the nation and people of Russia, as if they have a choice in their leadership. It's also weird how high the overlap is between people who champion this anti-Russia rhetoric and simultaneously view equivalent criticisms of China as xenophobic. FWIW, I hold the same line of reasoning with China: Blame Xi, not the humans subjugated by him.

matkoniecz 5y ago
Well, there are various indicators that Putin is supported by majority of Russia and Russians. And little to indicate that opposition to Putin has larger popularity. For me "fuck Russia" is OK, though I would be strongly opposed to "fuck Russians".
dreen 5y ago
This is partially true but Putin and Xi dont happen in a vacuum. Stalin or Hitler didnt happen in a vacuum. The sanctions put on Russia are also meant to affect civilians, as they are partially responsible for the war. And the west will pay some price for the sanctions too, because they share a part of the responsibility too. However, I agree the author should have picked a better domain name.

imwillofficial 5y ago

I find this dangerous and illegal. Disgusting.

yakshaving_jgt 5y ago
…You mean Putin's invasion, right?
- remarkEon 5y ago
  Adults can believe two things at once: Putin's invasion is bad and a humanitarian catastrophe on a number of dimensions, and that encouraging non-combatant citizens of other countries to engage in illegal activity as a response is also bad and unwise.

q1w2 5y ago

I'm not sure how effective DDoS attacks are. I'd rather support groups like those in Belarus that are thwarting the rail system from transporting Russian armor to the Ukrainian border.

gaius_baltar 5y ago
Surely more effective, the problem is that we don't have a way to damage rail infrastructure online -- except, well, for a cyber attack if they are crazy enough to allow SCADA-like systems on net Internet during a war.
- q1w2 5y ago
  > ...if they are crazy enough to allow SCADA-like systems on net Internet during a war. Rail is just one example, but I am certain that there are many such systems in Russia and Belarus that are online and can provide intelligence or interference. Even something like a hospital patient registration system near the front that counts the number of Russia soldiers is useful - as it's something Russia is trying to hide.

xtiansimon 5y ago

“Eye for an eye make whole world blind.”