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I have a theory that the people who used the bar on the side and the people who turned the user metrics off are the same people (myself included). But I’m not s
by interstice 5y ago
I have a theory that the people who used the bar on the side and the people who turned the user metrics off are the same people (myself included). But I’m not sure how I feel about the results.
In any case I hope shells like litestep make a comeback as a result of ever more hostile ui decisions, either that or everyone jumps ship entirely to put energy into making something else great.
- khaledh 5y agoThe problem is that Windows with all its warts now is still far ahead of the competition in that department (desktop GUI). Whether that's due to monopoly or being actually better, it doesn't matter. The fact is competition is almost non-existent.
- smackeyacky 5y agoI don't think that's true anymore. Gnome with two tweaks (put the min/max buttons back on the window header and move the main menu to the bottom of the screen so it works like the old win 10 task bar) and it's streets ahead of Windows 11. It's a great blessing in disguise when Microsoft decide your old laptop won't support Windows 11.
- GekkePrutser 5y agoGnome has very excessive window borders though. They're so big they seem to be sized for touch, very wasteful when you don't have a touchscreen. And it has even less configurability than Windows.. Add-ons don't count because they often break.
- smackeyacky 5y agoI don't mind the big borders, although most of the time I'm using dual 2k screens. The borders don't seem that much bigger than the ones in Windows 10. As for the extensions, I've been enabling those via extensions.gnome.org and have no problems so far on Buster or Bullseye. This is the one that makes Gnome useable for me: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/
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- lproven 5y agoDash-to-panel helps, but it doesn't go far enough for me. It doesn't work well in vertical orientations: for instance, status icons should be arranged in horizontal rows. In a single column they take up far too much space. Cinnamon suffers from the same problem, FWIW.
- bobbylarrybobby 5y agoWait, is streets ahead a real saying? I thought Pierce on Community invented it.
- smackeyacky 5y agoDunno - I never watched community but I can't remember where I picked it up. Might be a commonwealth thing. edit: google says "british". In fairly common use in Australia.
- Doctor_Fegg 5y agoVery common in British English.
- groovy2shoes 5y agoIf you have to ask, you're streets behind.
- dehrmann 5y agoThe article mentioned all the UI generations you can find in Windows. Linux is even worse. Once you leave the menus your desktop environment provides, it becomes a design free for all. Sometimes you'll see UI styles from another environment (run Kompare in Gnome), sometimes you get ancient X UIs.
- goosedragons 5y agoIf GNOME bundled Kompare or other KDE programs you might have a point. You wouldn't blame Apple for the look of LibreOffice on macOS so why blame GNOME for the non-GNOME programs?
- CRConrad 5y agoThe GP wasn't blaming Gnome, they were complaining about the Linux GUI desktop in general. Running a KDE app on Gnome was just an example; they could just as well have mentioned the opposite and still not be "complaining about KDE ".
- schmuelio 5y agoI get your point and I'd raise you the suite of Microsoft products: - Word, PowerPoint, Excel, all one style - Teams, different style - Notepad, different style - Paint, different style That's just within the MS ecosystem, leave that ecosystem and you rapidly find the same style mess that you get on Linux. It's basically due to the many different GUI frameworks, not the OS itself, hell MS supplies a whole list of frameworks that look different from each other. Even MacOS/iOS which are _really_ good at having a cohesive UI style suffer from this problem. I'd argue that if this is a valid complaint with Linux DEs (be it GNOME/KDE/what have you) then it's an equally valid complaint for Windows.
- sgjohnson 5y agoIn what ways is Windows desktop GUI better than macOS? The only thing Windows has going for itself is backwards compatability.
- bruce511 5y agoThat's a pretty big thing. I'm still using programs daily that I acquired in the 90's,some of which was last updated in the 90s. Updating the OS is one thing, there will be change, and none of us likes change, but it doesn't cascade down to having to change every detail of my work flow. So maybe it's the only thing Windows has, but for me anyway it's a pretty big "only".
- sgjohnson 5y ago> That's a pretty big thing. It's also the bane of its existence, because it means that they can NEVER retire anything, because by doing so they would break backwards compatability. And that's actually how we ended up here. They can never get rid of even Win16 GUI (let alone Win32) because it would break shit written for Windows 3.1 (yes, there are still some dialogs in Windows 11 that use Windows 3.1 file select dialog, namely the ODBC Data Source Administrator (32-bit)[0]. So they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Win32 isn't being used for anything they are making now, but it's used by other people, and more importantly it's used by all the old apps. So now they have to justify ETERNAL support for an essentially deprecated API. Which they obviously aren't doing, which is why we're here. > I'm still using programs daily that I acquired in the 90's,some of which was last updated in the 90s. Unless they are extremely domain specific, surely there are modern alternatives? [0] https://i.imgur.com/MrvLCSr.png https://i.imgur.com/MrvLCSr.png
- bruce511 5y agoActually windows 64 bit won't run 16 bit programs, that part has been gone for a decade or so. Yes there are probably alternatives, but that's the point, I like the way it's working now - I don't want to find new equivalents and then discover what's missing from them. But I'm not sure what the existance of win32 has to do with anything - it's not like it stops win64 from working.
- emkoemko 5y agoGNOME is way better the Windows UI, checked out what options there where when win11 came out and i have been on fedora ever since, really modern UI and none of the Microsoft bs
- pleb_nz 5y agoTotally disagree with that Plasma Gnome MacOS Windows That would be my pick top to bottom of best UIs Windows is a shambles and it mentally destroys a piece of me everytime I use it
- boondaburrah 5y agoI say KDE is the best desktop if they could just get their shit together and debug it on all hardware configurations. It's absolutely miles ahead of Windows in features, however, as a power user I can fix it if it gets wonky, but a regular user shouldn't be expected to.
- AnonymousPlanet 5y agoWindows 7 was a GUI horror show compared to pretty much anything else at the time. Ugly font rendering, e.g. Especially if you have a ton of open windows, Windows has always been amazingly bad at helping the user manage them. Multiple / desktops can finally be enabled since Windows 10 (without hackery), but are still a pain. The font rendering has improved but is nowhere near MacOS. I could go on for a while. In my experience, the only people who think Windows has superior GUI have never truly worked with other desktops.
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- TheKarateKid 5y ago> The problem is that Windows with all its warts now is still far ahead of the competition in that department (desktop GUI) Same with Windows Explorer. Finder in macOS is still terribly crippled compared to it: -It can't even perform folder merges in many cases, only allowing you to "Replace" the entire folder. -You can't pause/resume file transfers. -Cancelling large transfers is like canceling a print job in the 00's - it might cancel, but if it does it will be when 95% of the job is done anyway and you're screwed. -You aren't shown metadata of any files you are prompted about. -Batch management of file conflicts/actions not possible. Most of these features were added to Explorer all the way back in Vista 15 years ago.
- moltke 5y agoReason driven decision making is better than data driven decision making.
- TonyTrapp 5y ago> I have a theory that the people who used the bar on the side and the people who turned the user metrics off are the same people (myself included) I keep telemetry enabled in Firefox in the hope that they see that I use all of the features that they later remove anyway. It seems like nobody is using metrics to prove that it's not safe to remove a feature. Or they say "oh, it's only 1% of users using that feature", not realizing how much 1% really is.
- _Algernon_ 5y agoI don't use telemetry in the hopes that they'll see that only X% of users use telemetry and that they thus remove telemetry as a feature. Not working well so far.
- GrinningFool 5y agoTo be fair, it's hard to see how many users are not using telemetry when they're not using telemetry.
- throwaway684936 5y agoI still miss Firefox's "View Image" context menu option. There is no suitable replacement. No, I do not want to open the image in a new tab. No, I do not want to use some janky extension that re-implements it but places the option at the very bottom of the context menu.