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I’ve been on more mountain roads and trails than I can recall, encountered plenty of dogs and not had a single threatening moment let alone an injury. I regret

I’ve been on more mountain roads and trails than I can recall, encountered plenty of dogs and not had a single threatening moment let alone an injury. I regret to hear of your phobia, but both of our experiences are just anecdotes with no weight to argue from.

dheera 5y ago
Gaslighting is not welcome here. You might be lucky. Your words come off as essentially arguing that just because you haven't experienced X that the problem is not significant. Many people attempt to use logic like this for X={racism, sexism, ...} but it applies to other things including traumatic interactions with dogs. Also, there are plenty of people I know with the same experiences as me.
- WhitneyLand 5y ago
  How on earth are you calling my comment gaslighting? I merely pointed out that both of our examples are a single person‘s data point, and we cannot draw broad conclusions from them.
  - dheera 5y ago
    I don't think being chased by packs of dogs on several dozen instances in at least 5 countries counts as a single data point. Maybe dogs hate the way I smell and love the way you smell but that doesn't make it right. I do carry defenses (rocks, pepper spray) to deal with the situation and avoid injury but having to be on guard for dogs at every second and ready to pull out these things on a moment's notice is NOT a pleasant way to cope.
    - WhitneyLand 5y ago
      I said it’s a single person‘s data point. And it is. You’re hypersensitive on this issue. Clearly you know the math and the statistics to know what one persons experiences mean to drawing conclusions. I respect your wish not to feel threatened and I tried to show that, no need to make incorrect replies.
      - dheera 5y ago
        > You’re hypersensitive on this issue. https://repeller.com/what-youre-too-sensitive-really-means/ https://repeller.com/what-youre-too-sensitive-really-means/
        trentgreene 5y ago
        I'm an American dog lover, and was surprised when all of my Vietnamese-family-by-marriage voiced similar perspectives. Stray dogs were a serious, common threat that could kill you.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  You are not being gaslit - you applied a singular experience on your part as an argument in a more general sense. That doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen to you or wasn’t meaningful, just a poor persuasive argument.
- cthalupa 5y ago
  It is not gaslighting to point out that your anecdotes are not data, or that the plural of anecdote is also not data.
- kortilla 5y ago
  If we were to believe your comments, there would be wild packs of dogs all over. Do you have any stats to back this up? I hike all of the time in the US and only wild pack of animals I have encountered is coyotes. Are you confusing coyotes with dogs?
  - dheera 5y ago
    > I hike I have to say it is less of a problem while hiking. Coyotes do leave me alone. It's much more of a problem if walking, running, or bicycling through suburban areas. Yeah, I know, Americans (especially those living in massively gentrified areas) tend to just tell me I shouldn't do these activities and get in an SUV instead, but that's not how most of the world wants to live. > in the US Yeah, the US isn't the world. This might be why you haven't seen how dogs can be a huge problem. The US isn't representative of the stray dog problem that plagues very large parts of the world, including eastern Europe, east and southeast Asia, Middle East, central America, and sub-saharan Africa.
    - kortilla 5y ago
      > know, Americans (especially those living in massively gentrified areas) tend to just tell me I shouldn't do these activities and get in an SUV instead Cut the shit, you don’t know anything about the US based on your own comments. I talked about hiking because animal encounters are even less of a problem when walking in neighborhoods/cities. Nobody said anything about riding in an SUV. It sounds like your problem isn’t with domesticated dogs then and is with feral ones instead. You do know this entire conversation and article is not about wild dogs right?

dheera 5y ago

Gaslighting is not welcome here. You might be lucky. Your words come off as essentially arguing that just because you haven't experienced X that the problem is not significant. Many people attempt to use logic like this for X={racism, sexism, ...} but it applies to other things including traumatic interactions with dogs. Also, there are plenty of people I know with the same experiences as me.

WhitneyLand 5y ago
How on earth are you calling my comment gaslighting? I merely pointed out that both of our examples are a single person‘s data point, and we cannot draw broad conclusions from them.
- dheera 5y ago
  I don't think being chased by packs of dogs on several dozen instances in at least 5 countries counts as a single data point. Maybe dogs hate the way I smell and love the way you smell but that doesn't make it right. I do carry defenses (rocks, pepper spray) to deal with the situation and avoid injury but having to be on guard for dogs at every second and ready to pull out these things on a moment's notice is NOT a pleasant way to cope.
  - WhitneyLand 5y ago
    I said it’s a single person‘s data point. And it is. You’re hypersensitive on this issue. Clearly you know the math and the statistics to know what one persons experiences mean to drawing conclusions. I respect your wish not to feel threatened and I tried to show that, no need to make incorrect replies.
    - dheera 5y ago
      > You’re hypersensitive on this issue. https://repeller.com/what-youre-too-sensitive-really-means/ https://repeller.com/what-youre-too-sensitive-really-means/
      - trentgreene 5y ago
        I'm an American dog lover, and was surprised when all of my Vietnamese-family-by-marriage voiced similar perspectives. Stray dogs were a serious, common threat that could kill you.
Spooky23 5y ago
You are not being gaslit - you applied a singular experience on your part as an argument in a more general sense. That doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen to you or wasn’t meaningful, just a poor persuasive argument.
cthalupa 5y ago
It is not gaslighting to point out that your anecdotes are not data, or that the plural of anecdote is also not data.
kortilla 5y ago
If we were to believe your comments, there would be wild packs of dogs all over. Do you have any stats to back this up? I hike all of the time in the US and only wild pack of animals I have encountered is coyotes. Are you confusing coyotes with dogs?
- dheera 5y ago
  > I hike I have to say it is less of a problem while hiking. Coyotes do leave me alone. It's much more of a problem if walking, running, or bicycling through suburban areas. Yeah, I know, Americans (especially those living in massively gentrified areas) tend to just tell me I shouldn't do these activities and get in an SUV instead, but that's not how most of the world wants to live. > in the US Yeah, the US isn't the world. This might be why you haven't seen how dogs can be a huge problem. The US isn't representative of the stray dog problem that plagues very large parts of the world, including eastern Europe, east and southeast Asia, Middle East, central America, and sub-saharan Africa.
  - kortilla 5y ago
    > know, Americans (especially those living in massively gentrified areas) tend to just tell me I shouldn't do these activities and get in an SUV instead Cut the shit, you don’t know anything about the US based on your own comments. I talked about hiking because animal encounters are even less of a problem when walking in neighborhoods/cities. Nobody said anything about riding in an SUV. It sounds like your problem isn’t with domesticated dogs then and is with feral ones instead. You do know this entire conversation and article is not about wild dogs right?