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Not sure I like where this is going, now I'm imagining dogs patrolling public areas and tagging random people for mandatory Covid quarantine. Not being able to

by codr7 5y ago

Not sure I like where this is going, now I'm imagining dogs patrolling public areas and tagging random people for mandatory Covid quarantine. Not being able to smoke a joint before crossing a border without risking harassment was bad enough.

slowmovintarget 5y ago
This is about using dogs to help with diagnosis. Anything the medical staff would learn from the dogs would still be covered under doctor-patient confidentiality. Training dogs to help could provide cheaper, more accurate tests that are less invasive and less painful for patients. This has nothing to do with "hassling" you. I'd be more concerned with the ethics of using dogs for COVID-19 detection given that dogs are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection.
- codr7 5y ago
kadoban 5y ago
If we can accurately pick out which people are contagious with Covid, should they not be forced to quarantine?
- mwint 5y ago
  No, they shouldn’t at this point. Especially in areas where everyone who wants to is vaccinated. Government-forced quarantine was only valid - if ever - at the beginnings of a disease where little was know. It’s not valid when we know the disease poses minimal threat to the majority of the population, and only slightly above minimal to a minority.
  - jedberg 5y ago
    > Especially in areas where everyone who wants to is vaccinated. Right now that is nowhere in the world, because kids under 5 still can't get vaccinated.
    - mmarq 5y ago
      Well, then I don’t want anybody who isn’t fully immunised against measles or meningococcus to get anywhere near my child
      - jedberg 5y ago
        The prevalence of those diseases is much lower than COVID right now, so your argument doesn't really work.
        mmarq 5y ago
        They are also way more dangerous for a 5 month old baby.
        jedberg 5y ago
        Ok then keep your five month old at home (that's what you want me to say right)? And now you want to say "then keep your four year old at home" But there is a huge difference between the socialization needs of a child under one (when they get their measles vaccine) and a child under five. Children between 3 and 5 go to pre-school and need to interact with people for their psychological well being. So it's on us as a society to make it safe for them to so. And meningococcus usually spreads through deep kissing, so as long as your infant is French kissing an infected adult it should be fine.
        mmarq 5y ago
        > Ok then keep your five month old at home (that's what you want me to say right)? And now you want to say "then keep your four year old at home" No, I am just going to say that now we have vaccines and treatments for covid, so we should treat it like other diseases. We don't quarantine people with measles, even though it is way more lethal and more contagious than covid.
        kadoban 5y ago

by codr7 5y ago

slowmovintarget 5y ago

This is about using dogs to help with diagnosis. Anything the medical staff would learn from the dogs would still be covered under doctor-patient confidentiality. Training dogs to help could provide cheaper, more accurate tests that are less invasive and less painful for patients. This has nothing to do with "hassling" you. I'd be more concerned with the ethics of using dogs for COVID-19 detection given that dogs are susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 infection.

codr7 5y ago

kadoban 5y ago

If we can accurately pick out which people are contagious with Covid, should they not be forced to quarantine?

mwint 5y ago
No, they shouldn’t at this point. Especially in areas where everyone who wants to is vaccinated. Government-forced quarantine was only valid - if ever - at the beginnings of a disease where little was know. It’s not valid when we know the disease poses minimal threat to the majority of the population, and only slightly above minimal to a minority.
- jedberg 5y ago
  > Especially in areas where everyone who wants to is vaccinated. Right now that is nowhere in the world, because kids under 5 still can't get vaccinated.
  - mmarq 5y ago
    Well, then I don’t want anybody who isn’t fully immunised against measles or meningococcus to get anywhere near my child
    - jedberg 5y ago
      The prevalence of those diseases is much lower than COVID right now, so your argument doesn't really work.
      - mmarq 5y ago
        They are also way more dangerous for a 5 month old baby.
        jedberg 5y ago
        Ok then keep your five month old at home (that's what you want me to say right)? And now you want to say "then keep your four year old at home" But there is a huge difference between the socialization needs of a child under one (when they get their measles vaccine) and a child under five. Children between 3 and 5 go to pre-school and need to interact with people for their psychological well being. So it's on us as a society to make it safe for them to so. And meningococcus usually spreads through deep kissing, so as long as your infant is French kissing an infected adult it should be fine.
        mmarq 5y ago
        > Ok then keep your five month old at home (that's what you want me to say right)? And now you want to say "then keep your four year old at home" No, I am just going to say that now we have vaccines and treatments for covid, so we should treat it like other diseases. We don't quarantine people with measles, even though it is way more lethal and more contagious than covid.
        kadoban 5y ago