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I don't think it's far fetched at all, that they'd do that without mentioning it. It certainly phones home when you open Preview [1], what's another little ping

I don't think it's far fetched at all, that they'd do that without mentioning it. It certainly phones home when you open Preview [1], what's another little ping when you're looking at CSAM or whatever else they've been instructed to look for? The recent debacle made it clear enough to me that the their privacy reputation is little more than carefully curated marketing, and they're likely under tremendous pressure from lawless alphabet agencies to ramp up surveillance. I wouldn't put anything past a 3 Trillion dollar company, that's quite an empire to protect. [1] https://mspoweruser.com/macos-big-sur-has-its-own-telemetry-privacy-nightmare/ https://mspoweruser.com/macos-big-sur-has-its-own-telemetry-...

KyeRussell 5y ago
> The recent debacle [...] It's hard to argue that this "debacle" was not materially driven by the media, which did not accurate report the system's privacy protections, either because they did not understand them, or because they did not care to.
- xanaxagoras 5y ago
  Maybe. My awareness of it primarily came from this and other tech-minded sites, I'm not exactly sure what the media was saying about it. I understood the privacy protections but still found the features positively horrifying. I stopped using an iPhone and I stopped using iCloud on all devices because of that announcement.
aunty_helen 5y ago
There is some reprieve by using a good firewall or even an off device firewall. However with many of these services if you try to kill them, they come back. If you delete them sometimes it will literally break your OS. Example, if you remove the ocsp daemon, you can’t start any program on your computer.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  Also, Apple is making it virtually impossible to make changes to the OS now with the sealed system volume. We as the operator have no workable way of making changes there. You can do the whole bless thing but you have to boot into several modes several times. For every update. Otherwise it won't even boot. I think this is a worrying development. Until now our computers were actually ours. Now they're controlled by the vendor, and looking over our shoulder. I think using the user's own device to spy on them (whatever the reason!) is a big red line to cross. And puts this stricter control over the OS in a different perspective than just "security". I think either thing that plays into it is that Apple is now a content provider (Apple music and TV+). So they have another reason to keep us out to protect their DRM. But anyway, good security should not have to imply trusting the vendor implicitly. Give us the ability to add our own signing key for files we want to modify, just like secure boot on Windows allows adding custom keys..
- xanaxagoras 5y ago
  I did some testing yesterday. It used to be if you blocked 17.0.0.0/8 (or a more restrictive subset for OCSP) on your router, it would take ~30 seconds to open a program. It's a lot faster now. The only thing that really leaps out at me is some programs I haven't launched in a long time go through that "Verifying..." step to launch where it calculates checksums.

KyeRussell 5y ago

> The recent debacle [...] It's hard to argue that this "debacle" was not materially driven by the media, which did not accurate report the system's privacy protections, either because they did not understand them, or because they did not care to.

xanaxagoras 5y ago
Maybe. My awareness of it primarily came from this and other tech-minded sites, I'm not exactly sure what the media was saying about it. I understood the privacy protections but still found the features positively horrifying. I stopped using an iPhone and I stopped using iCloud on all devices because of that announcement.

aunty_helen 5y ago

There is some reprieve by using a good firewall or even an off device firewall. However with many of these services if you try to kill them, they come back. If you delete them sometimes it will literally break your OS. Example, if you remove the ocsp daemon, you can’t start any program on your computer.

GekkePrutser 5y ago
Also, Apple is making it virtually impossible to make changes to the OS now with the sealed system volume. We as the operator have no workable way of making changes there. You can do the whole bless thing but you have to boot into several modes several times. For every update. Otherwise it won't even boot. I think this is a worrying development. Until now our computers were actually ours. Now they're controlled by the vendor, and looking over our shoulder. I think using the user's own device to spy on them (whatever the reason!) is a big red line to cross. And puts this stricter control over the OS in a different perspective than just "security". I think either thing that plays into it is that Apple is now a content provider (Apple music and TV+). So they have another reason to keep us out to protect their DRM. But anyway, good security should not have to imply trusting the vendor implicitly. Give us the ability to add our own signing key for files we want to modify, just like secure boot on Windows allows adding custom keys..
xanaxagoras 5y ago
I did some testing yesterday. It used to be if you blocked 17.0.0.0/8 (or a more restrictive subset for OCSP) on your router, it would take ~30 seconds to open a program. It's a lot faster now. The only thing that really leaps out at me is some programs I haven't launched in a long time go through that "Verifying..." step to launch where it calculates checksums.