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What kind of problem solves this measure? If someone think that minors won't access adult content that person is pretty naive. Only with TV shows, series, movie

by jmrm 5y ago

What kind of problem solves this measure? If someone think that minors won't access adult content that person is pretty naive. Only with TV shows, series, movies, music, and games they are going to watch a lot of violence and sex scenes, and most of us knows there are a lot of easy ways to access to this kind of content outside mass media. Letting the usefulness of this measure aside, I think there should be other ways to get your age without using your ID, like using a credit card for example. I don't know if there is any way to get the age of a person using the credit card, to be honest, but at least is an identification method with a expiring date and possibilities to cancel in any moment, not a unique number you can't never change in your whole life (at least in most Western countries I know).

jlund-molfese 5y ago
I don’t disagree with anything you said, but some countries, like the US, don’t have a national ID system. So we usually have the option of using one of several different ways to verify our identities[1] for commercial services. Unfortunately most still do give you fixed numbers that don’t change unless you move to another state. 1. https://help.id.me/hc/en-us/articles/360017833054 https://help.id.me/hc/en-us/articles/360017833054
- Broken_Hippo 5y ago
  but some countries, like the US, don’t have a national ID system This is.. not quite true. Social security numbers are used this way (even if they aren't intended to be such a thing) and passports are essentially a national ID system. My passport is the only valid ID that I have - of course, I live outside the US and have to have the nearest US embassy renew it. (I don't qualify for Norwegian IDs yet, and my immigration card is a supplement to my passport instead of actual ID)
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    An American passport ID number changes every ten years, causing lots of problems when foreign banks (like Chinese ones) try to use it as a stable ID number. Source: personal experience.
    - Broken_Hippo 5y ago
      I've had absolutely no issues with it here in Norway, but Norway gives folks a number much like a SSN, which is used more widely than a SS# in the US alongside a picture ID.
      - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
        China uses foreigner passport IDs in place of a Chinese ID number. Which is kind of dumb since that number changes, which caught the bank by surprise. I had to carry around both my old and new passport for awhile after my first renewal.
  - cr1895 5y ago
    > passports are essentially a national ID system Not very helpful as a national ID if they are a relative rarity
    - Broken_Hippo 5y ago
      That is only because the average person is priced out of it, honestly. If I remember correctly, it cost around days work if you make minimum wage.
      - NoSorryCannot 5y ago
        Right, but I think the concept of a national ID necessarily has the property of everyone (as close as is feasible) having one because it is required and they should be stable across time. Passports are optional, they expire, and they aren't stable. Not everyone can get an American passport (e.g., non-citizens). Tax IDs are as close as we've got.
  - jlund-molfese 5y ago
    Passports are a federal ID, but they’re not mandated in the same way that other countries like Estonia mandate national IDs. SSNs? Sure, they’re (optionally) used as an identifier. But they’re primarily used in the financial world, along with your credit score. Most state and federal agencies won’t require an SSN for official business (again excepting taxes & payments). A hotel will accept a Global Entry card for check in. UPS will accept a non-driver’s license to pick up a package. You can vote with a student ID in some states. And don’t forget people who are undocumented immigrants or on F-1 and J-1 visas who don’t even have a SSN, but still need to open US bank accounts, pay taxes, get US driver’s licenses, and vote in municipal elections. Identification is complicated in the US!
    - inetknght 5y ago
      > SSNs? Sure, they’re (optionally) used as an identifier. They're misused as an identifier. They've also been leaked to fuck and back.
sharken 5y ago
It adds a layer of control which is very much the way legislation is going right now. Gone are the days where parents could educate their children on how to behave on the net it seems. We should not accept slogans such as "For the children", doing that leads to ever more restrictions and control. I don't have any solution to turn the tide, other than making sure to vote for a party that supports freedom on the net.

by jmrm 5y ago

jlund-molfese 5y ago

I don’t disagree with anything you said, but some countries, like the US, don’t have a national ID system. So we usually have the option of using one of several different ways to verify our identities[1] for commercial services. Unfortunately most still do give you fixed numbers that don’t change unless you move to another state. 1. https://help.id.me/hc/en-us/articles/360017833054 https://help.id.me/hc/en-us/articles/360017833054

Broken_Hippo 5y ago
but some countries, like the US, don’t have a national ID system This is.. not quite true. Social security numbers are used this way (even if they aren't intended to be such a thing) and passports are essentially a national ID system. My passport is the only valid ID that I have - of course, I live outside the US and have to have the nearest US embassy renew it. (I don't qualify for Norwegian IDs yet, and my immigration card is a supplement to my passport instead of actual ID)
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  An American passport ID number changes every ten years, causing lots of problems when foreign banks (like Chinese ones) try to use it as a stable ID number. Source: personal experience.
  - Broken_Hippo 5y ago
    I've had absolutely no issues with it here in Norway, but Norway gives folks a number much like a SSN, which is used more widely than a SS# in the US alongside a picture ID.
    - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
      China uses foreigner passport IDs in place of a Chinese ID number. Which is kind of dumb since that number changes, which caught the bank by surprise. I had to carry around both my old and new passport for awhile after my first renewal.
- cr1895 5y ago
  > passports are essentially a national ID system Not very helpful as a national ID if they are a relative rarity
  - Broken_Hippo 5y ago
    That is only because the average person is priced out of it, honestly. If I remember correctly, it cost around days work if you make minimum wage.
    - NoSorryCannot 5y ago
      Right, but I think the concept of a national ID necessarily has the property of everyone (as close as is feasible) having one because it is required and they should be stable across time. Passports are optional, they expire, and they aren't stable. Not everyone can get an American passport (e.g., non-citizens). Tax IDs are as close as we've got.
- jlund-molfese 5y ago
  Passports are a federal ID, but they’re not mandated in the same way that other countries like Estonia mandate national IDs. SSNs? Sure, they’re (optionally) used as an identifier. But they’re primarily used in the financial world, along with your credit score. Most state and federal agencies won’t require an SSN for official business (again excepting taxes & payments). A hotel will accept a Global Entry card for check in. UPS will accept a non-driver’s license to pick up a package. You can vote with a student ID in some states. And don’t forget people who are undocumented immigrants or on F-1 and J-1 visas who don’t even have a SSN, but still need to open US bank accounts, pay taxes, get US driver’s licenses, and vote in municipal elections. Identification is complicated in the US!
  - inetknght 5y ago
    > SSNs? Sure, they’re (optionally) used as an identifier. They're misused as an identifier. They've also been leaked to fuck and back.

sharken 5y ago

It adds a layer of control which is very much the way legislation is going right now. Gone are the days where parents could educate their children on how to behave on the net it seems. We should not accept slogans such as "For the children", doing that leads to ever more restrictions and control. I don't have any solution to turn the tide, other than making sure to vote for a party that supports freedom on the net.