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Eastern Antarctica sees record temperatures 70 degrees above normal
- the_alchemist 5y agoWithout paywall on archive.org https://web.archive.org/web/20220319112653/https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2022/03/18/antarctica-heat-wave-climate-change/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220319112653/https://www.washi...
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- bruce343434 5y agoSo what will be the consequences of this? Article makes it clear this is not normal, but doesn't really say much else.
- pil0u 5y agoI'd argue that such event is the consequences.
- ianai 5y agoAnd melting all that ice would have drastic effects on the oceans. Current changes, sea level rises, etc. we probably can only estimate at the lower range of consequences.
- elif 5y agoAccelerated calving, meltwater flows, unsafe ice conditions for researchers would be some of the immediate consequences, in addition to the obvious long-term atmospheric and oceanic implications resulting from ice volume loss.
- fallingknife 5y agoIt's still below freezing. It's just supposed to be way colder than that.
- throwaway290 5y agoUnder the hood Antarctica is way hotter way closer to the surface than you might expect. There are volcanoes, too. We probably want the weather to stay much colder than the negative one degree Celsius technically required for it to not melt straight away. Could make a critical difference or at least soften the impact.
- hh3k0 5y agoAnd it is winter in Antarctica, a mild winter can make the impact of summer worse.
- singularity2001 5y agothat is 39 Celsius above minimum average, or 27 Celsius on the conservative side: Instead of temperatures being minus-50 or minus-60 degrees (minus-45 or minus-51 Celsius), they’ve been closer to zero or 10 degrees (minus-18 Celsius or minus-12 Celsius)
- toxik 5y agoWithout knowing the variance, that really says nothing.
- lamontcg 5y ago"five standard deviations above normal." -- from the article
- toxik 5y agoCalculated conditioned on calendar day or just treating it as one time series?
- tejohnso 5y agoHere's what it says according to various researchers, per the article: “This event is completely unprecedented and upended our expectations about the Antarctic climate system" “Antarctic climatology has been rewritten,” "Concordia -18.0 °C unthinkable value in mid-March " And then for something less extreme: “[W]e can’t tell whether this is going to be a new trend or is just an oddity that occurs occasionally on a most fascinating continent,” Personally, I think it's important to pay attention when experts in the field say things like unprecedented and unthinkable on the record. Especially given scientists have a tendency to be more conservative. I think it's a pretty shallow dismissal to say that it really says nothing when experts are saying the opposite.
- netsharc 5y agoHah, that article is a mess of temperature standards as well as mixing up delta Fahrenheit to delta Celsius vs Fahrenheit to Celsius equivalents (delta 18 F is delta 10 C, whereas the temperature 18 F is -7.78 C). It seems they got it all right, better than some other reports where they mix up the 2. Imagine seeing "It's 18 degrees warmer in Fahrenheit, (that's -7.78 degrees warmer in Celcius)."
- mark-r 5y agoThe funny thing is that converting changes in temperature is even easier than converting actual temperature. There's no offset to apply, which has the nice side effect that the signs are never different.
- Proven 5y ago
- lixtra 5y ago> This event is completely unprecedented and upended our expectations about the Antarctic climate system While this is more about weather than climate it shows how much is still left to be understood.
- sublimefire 5y agoI found it a bit clickbaity. The title is correct to the letter but not really to the spirit, because down at the bottom there is: > Temperatures are known to vary wildly over Antarctica, and massive swings are common. Contrasting with this warm spell over eastern Antarctica, the South Pole observed just observed its coldest April to September period on record last year, with an average temperature of minus-78 degrees (minus-61 Celsius). But to be sure "The heat dome was exceptionally intense, five standard deviations above normal" is nuts. We should rename Antarctica to something like "Crazy continent".
- ianai 5y agoUhh last I checked 5 standard deviations was the definition of a statistically significant difference. To me it sounds like a realization that climate changes will have drastic and possibly chaotic effects.
- WinterMount223 5y agoDo you know the temperature probability distribution in Antartica? Not all distributions are normal and not all even have a standard deviation.
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- jmkni 5y ago70 degrees fahrenheit to be clear! Still a lot, wish they included that in the headline.
- randcraw 5y ago“Eastern Antarctica”. East of what? I have no idea where that is.
- mistrial9 5y agodraw an imaginary line from right around London, UK to the South Pole... imagine standing on that line, looking towards London from the sunny shores of the world's oldest forests under that ice, East is on your right side.. optional singing of national songs or worship according to your conscience
- dwaltrip 5y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Antarctica https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Antarctica
- digisign 5y agoYes, the side facing Asia, rather than the side facing America. AKA the round side, not the peninsula side.
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- cpfohl 5y agoAt least it didn’t say “northern”…then I’d have been even more confused
- tormock 5y agoFor 3 days
- rthomas6 5y agoThat's 10° F (-12 C) instead of -60° F (-51 C), to be clear.