4 ms·

I think now we’re solidly in the same territory as regular economic sanctions, which will also cause more harm to the regular people than to those directly culp

by rosndo 5y ago

I think now we’re solidly in the same territory as regular economic sanctions, which will also cause more harm to the regular people than to those directly culpable for enabling the war. But I also think to some extent it’s only fair that the regular people pay a price for the war. Not necessarily a very steep one, but a price nonetheless.

ncr100 5y ago
Okay. I certainly hope not. There's limited impact that the ordinary Russian citizen can have I believe on their own government. So it seems illogical to knowingly harm, primarily, an impotent underclass. That seems like unwise strategy. To be clear I'm still a supporter of the sanctions as I understand them impacting the upper class more significantly than the mass underclass. Presuming that the goal is for Russia to stop and roll back its invasion of Ukraine, the sanctions that have Frozen basically all international currency interactions with Russia. The node IPC rewrite, to destroy data of business systems, seems unlike anything that you and I have talked about so far in the subthread, and instead seems more like a malicious way to cripple and permanently harm users. Their data which they have entrusted with the businesses now potentially all trashed. It's certainly not like anything which my government, the US government, has publicly discussed doing against Russia in response to this invasion. It's frankly an illegal action by the node IPC owner based on my understanding of computer crimes.
- samhw 5y ago
  > It's frankly an illegal action by the node IPC owner based on my understanding of computer crimes. It's absolutely categorically illegal - hell, look at what Aaron Swartz was prosecuted for - and I have no doubt that they'll throw the book at him. This is way beyond the pale. It's not a 'no jury in the land' case like that Ukrainian crewman sinking the oligarch's yacht.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    I doubt it, it’s not a “no jury in the land” case, but it probably is a “no prosecutor in the land” case. In Swartz’s case it wasn’t at all obvious to an outsider how many people would be upset, but there certainly were big domestic interests in favour of prosecuting him. Positive EV for the prosecutor. Here? You’ll find little serious support for bringing charges, but the chances of the story being spun in a way that casts a very negative light on the government are high. While I don’t agree in principle, you could easily paint this man as a hero for striking against a war-mongering country that lets their ransomware gangs attack American hospitals and other critical infrastructure with impunity. Prosecutors worry more about career progression than juries, cases like this have a negative expected value.

by rosndo 5y ago

ncr100 5y ago

Okay. I certainly hope not. There's limited impact that the ordinary Russian citizen can have I believe on their own government. So it seems illogical to knowingly harm, primarily, an impotent underclass. That seems like unwise strategy. To be clear I'm still a supporter of the sanctions as I understand them impacting the upper class more significantly than the mass underclass. Presuming that the goal is for Russia to stop and roll back its invasion of Ukraine, the sanctions that have Frozen basically all international currency interactions with Russia. The node IPC rewrite, to destroy data of business systems, seems unlike anything that you and I have talked about so far in the subthread, and instead seems more like a malicious way to cripple and permanently harm users. Their data which they have entrusted with the businesses now potentially all trashed. It's certainly not like anything which my government, the US government, has publicly discussed doing against Russia in response to this invasion. It's frankly an illegal action by the node IPC owner based on my understanding of computer crimes.

samhw 5y ago
> It's frankly an illegal action by the node IPC owner based on my understanding of computer crimes. It's absolutely categorically illegal - hell, look at what Aaron Swartz was prosecuted for - and I have no doubt that they'll throw the book at him. This is way beyond the pale. It's not a 'no jury in the land' case like that Ukrainian crewman sinking the oligarch's yacht.
- rosndo 5y ago
  I doubt it, it’s not a “no jury in the land” case, but it probably is a “no prosecutor in the land” case. In Swartz’s case it wasn’t at all obvious to an outsider how many people would be upset, but there certainly were big domestic interests in favour of prosecuting him. Positive EV for the prosecutor. Here? You’ll find little serious support for bringing charges, but the chances of the story being spun in a way that casts a very negative light on the government are high. While I don’t agree in principle, you could easily paint this man as a hero for striking against a war-mongering country that lets their ransomware gangs attack American hospitals and other critical infrastructure with impunity. Prosecutors worry more about career progression than juries, cases like this have a negative expected value.