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I agree its a kneejerk reaction. But to be fair, its not discrimination against the Russian people, its discrimination against a particular ideology that is pr

I agree its a kneejerk reaction. But to be fair, its not discrimination against the Russian people, its discrimination against a particular ideology that is predominantly held by the Russian people.

croes 5y ago
Which ideology?
BaseballPhysics 5y ago
> But to be fair, its not discrimination against the Russian people, its discrimination against a particular ideology that is predominantly held by the Russian people. To be even more fair, it's both. There are plenty of Russians that absolutely do not agree with what the Russian leadership is doing, but have no choice in the matter. Speaking as a Canadian, there was a time when we were similarly fighting an adversary and chose to indiscriminately treat all people from that nation as enemies. The result was the internment of Japanese Canadians, one of the most shameful periods in our nation's history. I cannot help but be very concerned that we're heading down a very familiar and dangerous path, here...
- beebmam 5y ago
  Speaking as someone who was vehemently against the Iraq war and lived in the US, I welcomed discrimination against my own people. The United States was responsible for war crimes in that war, and for sure we deserved sanctions, boycotts, divestment, and bad international relations due to it. I was treated extremely rudely for being American when I went to France in late 2003, and I totally understood why. I hated my own country and my countrymen for it as well. I still do, in a sense. We owe the Iraqi people an enormous debt of reparations
  - joe_the_user 5y ago
    I was treated extremely rudely for being American when I went to France in late 2003, and I totally understood why. It seems too easy to say "uh discrimination is fine" when the only thing you have to fear is people being rude to you on vacation. If you face the loss of your livelihood, like the owner of a small Russian restaurant somewhat, I don't think you'd be as sanguine.
    - beebmam 5y ago
      I was spit on, had two of my hotel reservations cancelled, and was robbed
      - rossvor 5y ago
        And you applaud this? How is this a good thing?
      - cartesius13 5y ago
        One would think that after going through this you would become more empathetic and understanding of the ordinary citizens side. But no, somehow the takeaway was that discrimination against innocent people based where they're from is OK
  - HideousKojima 5y ago
    >I was treated extremely rudely for being American when I went to France in late 2003 That's just the French being the French, would have been the same in the 90's lol. And if you think that's bad, try going there as a French Canadian like my grandfather did. He got treated way waaaay better when he spoke English instead of the his "dirty" (what the Frenchies called it) Quebecois French.
    - BlueTemplar 5y ago
      The 90's is when the first Iraq war and then the deadly embargo happened...
    - _ache_ 5y ago
      > French being the French That's racist. And a deny of history about the anti-french sentiment in the USA consequently of the opposition of French to to participate in a war that later you want you never make.
      - HideousKojima 5y ago
        >That's racist. You clearly don't know what the word means. French isn't a race, at most it's a nationality or ethnicity. And in any case I'm 1/4th French, ethnically. >And a deny of history about the anti-french sentiment in the USA consequently of the opposition of French to to participate in a war that later you want you never make. I never said there wasn't anti-French sentiment in the US though? Do you have issues with reading comprehension?
  - FpUser 5y ago
    >"We owe the Iraqi people an enormous debt of reparations" Which will never happen. For very obvious reasons. Hypocrisy is our first and last name. And the examples of it are countless.
nyolfen 5y ago
did any of these actions select their targets by ideology?
pie_flavor 5y ago
No, it's discrimination against anyone with a Russian IP address, as clearly described in the article.

I agree its a kneejerk reaction. But to be fair, its not discrimination against the Russian people, its discrimination against a particular ideology that is predominantly held by the Russian people.

croes 5y ago

Which ideology?

BaseballPhysics 5y ago

> But to be fair, its not discrimination against the Russian people, its discrimination against a particular ideology that is predominantly held by the Russian people. To be even more fair, it's both. There are plenty of Russians that absolutely do not agree with what the Russian leadership is doing, but have no choice in the matter. Speaking as a Canadian, there was a time when we were similarly fighting an adversary and chose to indiscriminately treat all people from that nation as enemies. The result was the internment of Japanese Canadians, one of the most shameful periods in our nation's history. I cannot help but be very concerned that we're heading down a very familiar and dangerous path, here...

beebmam 5y ago
Speaking as someone who was vehemently against the Iraq war and lived in the US, I welcomed discrimination against my own people. The United States was responsible for war crimes in that war, and for sure we deserved sanctions, boycotts, divestment, and bad international relations due to it. I was treated extremely rudely for being American when I went to France in late 2003, and I totally understood why. I hated my own country and my countrymen for it as well. I still do, in a sense. We owe the Iraqi people an enormous debt of reparations
- joe_the_user 5y ago
  I was treated extremely rudely for being American when I went to France in late 2003, and I totally understood why. It seems too easy to say "uh discrimination is fine" when the only thing you have to fear is people being rude to you on vacation. If you face the loss of your livelihood, like the owner of a small Russian restaurant somewhat, I don't think you'd be as sanguine.
  - beebmam 5y ago
    I was spit on, had two of my hotel reservations cancelled, and was robbed
    - rossvor 5y ago
      And you applaud this? How is this a good thing?
    - cartesius13 5y ago
      One would think that after going through this you would become more empathetic and understanding of the ordinary citizens side. But no, somehow the takeaway was that discrimination against innocent people based where they're from is OK
- HideousKojima 5y ago
  >I was treated extremely rudely for being American when I went to France in late 2003 That's just the French being the French, would have been the same in the 90's lol. And if you think that's bad, try going there as a French Canadian like my grandfather did. He got treated way waaaay better when he spoke English instead of the his "dirty" (what the Frenchies called it) Quebecois French.
  - BlueTemplar 5y ago
    The 90's is when the first Iraq war and then the deadly embargo happened...
  - _ache_ 5y ago
    > French being the French That's racist. And a deny of history about the anti-french sentiment in the USA consequently of the opposition of French to to participate in a war that later you want you never make.
    - HideousKojima 5y ago
      >That's racist. You clearly don't know what the word means. French isn't a race, at most it's a nationality or ethnicity. And in any case I'm 1/4th French, ethnically. >And a deny of history about the anti-french sentiment in the USA consequently of the opposition of French to to participate in a war that later you want you never make. I never said there wasn't anti-French sentiment in the US though? Do you have issues with reading comprehension?
- FpUser 5y ago
  >"We owe the Iraqi people an enormous debt of reparations" Which will never happen. For very obvious reasons. Hypocrisy is our first and last name. And the examples of it are countless.

nyolfen 5y ago

did any of these actions select their targets by ideology?

pie_flavor 5y ago

No, it's discrimination against anyone with a Russian IP address, as clearly described in the article.