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Knee-jerk reaction and discrimination against the Russian people.

• pageandrew 5y ago
  I agree its a kneejerk reaction. But to be fair, its not discrimination against the Russian people, its discrimination against a particular ideology that is predominantly held by the Russian people.
  • croes 5y ago
    Which ideology?
  • BaseballPhysics 5y ago
    > But to be fair, its not discrimination against the Russian people, its discrimination against a particular ideology that is predominantly held by the Russian people. To be even more fair, it's both. There are plenty of Russians that absolutely do not agree with what the Russian leadership is doing, but have no choice in the matter. Speaking as a Canadian, there was a time when we were similarly fighting an adversary and chose to indiscriminately treat all people from that nation as enemies. The result was the internment of Japanese Canadians, one of the most shameful periods in our nation's history. I cannot help but be very concerned that we're heading down a very familiar and dangerous path, here...
    • beebmam 5y ago
      Speaking as someone who was vehemently against the Iraq war and lived in the US, I welcomed discrimination against my own people. The United States was responsible for war crimes in that war, and for sure we deserved sanctions, boycotts, divestment, and bad international relations due to it. I was treated extremely rudely for being American when I went to France in late 2003, and I totally understood why. I hated my own country and my countrymen for it as well. I still do, in a sense. We owe the Iraqi people an enormous debt of reparations
      • joe_the_user 5y ago
        I was treated extremely rudely for being American when I went to France in late 2003, and I totally understood why. It seems too easy to say "uh discrimination is fine" when the only thing you have to fear is people being rude to you on vacation. If you face the loss of your livelihood, like the owner of a small Russian restaurant somewhat, I don't think you'd be as sanguine.
        • beebmam 5y ago
          I was spit on, had two of my hotel reservations cancelled, and was robbed
          • rossvor 5y ago
            And you applaud this? How is this a good thing?
          • cartesius13 5y ago
            One would think that after going through this you would become more empathetic and understanding of the ordinary citizens side. But no, somehow the takeaway was that discrimination against innocent people based where they're from is OK
      • HideousKojima 5y ago
        >I was treated extremely rudely for being American when I went to France in late 2003 That's just the French being the French, would have been the same in the 90's lol. And if you think that's bad, try going there as a French Canadian like my grandfather did. He got treated way waaaay better when he spoke English instead of the his "dirty" (what the Frenchies called it) Quebecois French.
        • BlueTemplar 5y ago
          The 90's is when the first Iraq war and then the deadly embargo happened...
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  • nyolfen 5y ago
    did any of these actions select their targets by ideology?
  • pie_flavor 5y ago
    No, it's discrimination against anyone with a Russian IP address, as clearly described in the article.
• sharken 5y ago
  The author obviously thinks that open source that discriminates cannot be open source. In principle this is true given the current Open Source license. But i would argue that the clause about discrimination is out of touch with reality. Usage rights to Open Source should not by default be granted to oppressive regimes and the author should absolutely be allowed to state that within the license. If the west wants to send a clear signal to Putin, then matters such as the wording of the Open Source license needs to be adjusted accordingly.
  • beny23 5y ago
    Hello, author here. I do think the open source licence is framed to be non-discriminatory and I think that’s not a bad thing. Discrimination lends itself to politicisation and in turn division. And I think an ecosystem where we have lots of division is not good. What would happen if two interdependent projects suddenly had conflicting political requirements?
    • beaconstudios 5y ago
      I think that holding onto the idea that software is apolitical is untenable. Social media companies and large corporations try to toe this line and have been widely rebuked for it (Google trying to get ICE contracts, for example). I think the idea that "everything is political" is taking it too far, but so is the idea that providing material support to any comers is apolitical. Bear in mind that I'm talking descriptively rather than prescriptively here. I have my own opinions but I can also observe that political neutrality as a concept is waning.
      • quinnjh 5y ago
        Ok so its political, what if this political take where we encourage openness and interconnectivity is superior to the political take where we are reactionary? What if it literally is a winning strategy? Im not saying it is necessarily- but i think to get past the division you have highlighted (apolitical universality vs political conservatism) there is perhaps a way to look at the various approaches and determine what approach would be technologically, logistically, and politically advantageous. Let us let go of the idea it is apolitical, what now?
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