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I'm praying that Apple starts supporting AV1 soon...

by rie_t 5y ago

mimsee 5y ago
Apple is not really friend of royalty-free video formats. They hold some patents on h264/hvec and might see av1 as a competition.
- galad87 5y ago
  Apple is a "Founding Member" of Alliance for Open Media (which doesn't really mean they are actually a founding member). I think Apple main issues with VP9 was that it was a Google codec by all means. Apple already supports FLAC and Opus in macOS and iOS, and VP9 in Safari. It could be that they are waiting to see if AV1 will actually get a marketshare outside Youtube or not.
  - Veliladon 5y ago
    VP9 is an open format but can still be encumbered by patents. $20 says Google gave Apple an indemnity agreement for VP9 support for YouTube only which is why VP9 is locked down so hard in iOS. So if Apple enables VP9 and gets sued for patent infringement for their VP9 implementation Google will have to pay for some or all of the legal costs and/or judgements resulting from them.
  - kouteiheika 5y ago
    > Apple already supports [..] Opus ...to bad that they (in the usual Apple fashion) don't support it in a standard container which everyone else supports and require you to package it in their special snowflake .caf container, so even though in theory everyone supports Opus you still need to use MP3 if you don't want to deal with having to support multiple formats/codecs at the same time.
    - galad87 5y ago
      I thought it supported .opus too, I guess I was too optimistic.
- zionic 5y ago
  It's a shame. 90+% of their customers would hear "AV1" and think "Apple Video 1".
- daneel_w 5y ago
  I'd say they are, but the real issue to Apple is how this or that format will affect their users and how it will portray their products. That is, whether or not they can decode the format without the device running hot, noisy and out of battery in 45 minutes. They like H.264/H.265 because users can decode them with high power-efficiency due to GPU- and dedicated hardware support. This is one of the greater benefits of formats that the whole world accepts and adopts.
The_rationalist 5y ago
I'm praying they start supporting h266 soon because mankind progress matters more than politics.

I'm praying that Apple starts supporting AV1 soon...

by rie_t 5y ago

I'm praying that Apple starts supporting AV1 soon...

Apple is not really friend of royalty-free video formats. They hold some patents on h264/hvec and might see av1 as a competition.

galad87 5y ago
Apple is a "Founding Member" of Alliance for Open Media (which doesn't really mean they are actually a founding member). I think Apple main issues with VP9 was that it was a Google codec by all means. Apple already supports FLAC and Opus in macOS and iOS, and VP9 in Safari. It could be that they are waiting to see if AV1 will actually get a marketshare outside Youtube or not.
- Veliladon 5y ago
  VP9 is an open format but can still be encumbered by patents. $20 says Google gave Apple an indemnity agreement for VP9 support for YouTube only which is why VP9 is locked down so hard in iOS. So if Apple enables VP9 and gets sued for patent infringement for their VP9 implementation Google will have to pay for some or all of the legal costs and/or judgements resulting from them.
- kouteiheika 5y ago
  > Apple already supports [..] Opus ...to bad that they (in the usual Apple fashion) don't support it in a standard container which everyone else supports and require you to package it in their special snowflake .caf container, so even though in theory everyone supports Opus you still need to use MP3 if you don't want to deal with having to support multiple formats/codecs at the same time.
  - galad87 5y ago
    I thought it supported .opus too, I guess I was too optimistic.
zionic 5y ago
It's a shame. 90+% of their customers would hear "AV1" and think "Apple Video 1".
daneel_w 5y ago
I'd say they are, but the real issue to Apple is how this or that format will affect their users and how it will portray their products. That is, whether or not they can decode the format without the device running hot, noisy and out of battery in 45 minutes. They like H.264/H.265 because users can decode them with high power-efficiency due to GPU- and dedicated hardware support. This is one of the greater benefits of formats that the whole world accepts and adopts.

The_rationalist 5y ago

I'm praying they start supporting h266 soon because mankind progress matters more than politics.