5 ms·

"(...) returned to Kharkiv to do something useful for the city. With no military experience and even no driving license, I do things on a very small scale" Th

"(...) returned to Kharkiv to do something useful for the city. With no military experience and even no driving license, I do things on a very small scale" The sense of due duty to your community beyond your family and your own life. I am not really sure I would have the courage to do that. To Zverok: respect and good luck. To the rest: support Ukraine.

noir_lord 5y ago
I think I would. I wouldn't fight for my country in an offensive war, it's an arbitrary construct that means little to me to but I would fight for my family, my friends and the people around me in a defensive war. This is what shines through when you see things about the Ukraine in the news, these people are fighting for everything - it's about the maximum level of motivation that a people could have.
- throwaway-m3232 5y ago
  - derriz 5y ago
    Seems that Russian forum trolling/disinformation spreading is about as sophisticated and effective as their offensive military capability.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      I particularly like that it brings up what Russia has promised to citizens if they submit, as if it didn't promise, repeatedly, that it wasn't going to invade (both immediately before the 2022 escalation, and in binding treaties that were in place at the time of the initial 2014 invasion.) Russias promises are worth less than nothing, at this point.
  - mambru 5y ago
    :'D You can do better than that!
cguess 5y ago
You may be shocked what you're capable of when everything is on the line. Don't count yourself out until you (very hopefully never) are in the same situation.
- AniseAbyss 5y ago
  Ukraine is at a crossroads: join the rest of Europe or be dragged down into a dictatorship run by oligarchs. Giving up is not an option. If Russia wins the country is fucked for another generation.
  - Koshkin 5y ago
    > If Russia wins The thing is, there is no "winning" for Russia. Even if the "special military operation" ends with some kind of agreement and Putin declares a "victory" (which he will no matter what), he and the country will remain a pariah to much of the world, not unlike Qaddafi's Libya.
koonsolo 5y ago
> I am not really sure I would have the courage to do that. I don't know either. I think you can only tell when the time is there. Coming from a western country, democracy, freedom and economic wealth is all taken for granted. Therefore, I'm not sure everybody would realise what we could lose. When I look at my Ukrainian colleagues, they don't take that for granted. Their fight for those privileges is very recent, and was still ongoing. They definitely tasted it already. So now this bastard Kremlin is trying to drag them back in the mud. I think their will to give their kids a prosperous life is higher than the pain they have to go through right now. They know the difference between the two. They have all my respect, and definitely deserve the democracy and freedom they are fighting for right now.
deleted 5y ago
[deleted]

noir_lord 5y ago

I think I would. I wouldn't fight for my country in an offensive war, it's an arbitrary construct that means little to me to but I would fight for my family, my friends and the people around me in a defensive war. This is what shines through when you see things about the Ukraine in the news, these people are fighting for everything - it's about the maximum level of motivation that a people could have.

throwaway-m3232 5y ago
- derriz 5y ago
  Seems that Russian forum trolling/disinformation spreading is about as sophisticated and effective as their offensive military capability.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    I particularly like that it brings up what Russia has promised to citizens if they submit, as if it didn't promise, repeatedly, that it wasn't going to invade (both immediately before the 2022 escalation, and in binding treaties that were in place at the time of the initial 2014 invasion.) Russias promises are worth less than nothing, at this point.
- mambru 5y ago
  :'D You can do better than that!

cguess 5y ago

You may be shocked what you're capable of when everything is on the line. Don't count yourself out until you (very hopefully never) are in the same situation.

AniseAbyss 5y ago
Ukraine is at a crossroads: join the rest of Europe or be dragged down into a dictatorship run by oligarchs. Giving up is not an option. If Russia wins the country is fucked for another generation.
- Koshkin 5y ago
  > If Russia wins The thing is, there is no "winning" for Russia. Even if the "special military operation" ends with some kind of agreement and Putin declares a "victory" (which he will no matter what), he and the country will remain a pariah to much of the world, not unlike Qaddafi's Libya.

koonsolo 5y ago

> I am not really sure I would have the courage to do that. I don't know either. I think you can only tell when the time is there. Coming from a western country, democracy, freedom and economic wealth is all taken for granted. Therefore, I'm not sure everybody would realise what we could lose. When I look at my Ukrainian colleagues, they don't take that for granted. Their fight for those privileges is very recent, and was still ongoing. They definitely tasted it already. So now this bastard Kremlin is trying to drag them back in the mud. I think their will to give their kids a prosperous life is higher than the pain they have to go through right now. They know the difference between the two. They have all my respect, and definitely deserve the democracy and freedom they are fighting for right now.

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]