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There isn't even a way to donate. All "mozilla" donations go to the foundation and their social justice causes, not useful things like MSN and Firefox.

• pbronez 5y ago
  That’s kinda the point of TFA. Open Web Docs is funded by donations and works with MDN on the free-forever web focused content. MDN is part of Mozilla and just as lost in the woods as the rest of that organization. You can donate to Open Web Docs here: https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs https://opencollective.com/open-web-docs
• IshKebab 5y ago
  That's because donations will never even remotely cover Mozilla's costs. They get something like $3m in donations. Wikipedia gets something like $120m. Mozilla's costs and Google income are like $400m.
  • themihai 5y ago
    Is a browser so expensive to maintain? $400m/year?
    • zarzavat 5y ago
      A web browser is some of the most complicated software in existence.
    • vbezhenar 5y ago
      Mozilla management is so expensive to maintain.
      • boomboomsubban 5y ago
        Mozilla management is probably around 1% of the budget, more if you count middle management but I doubt you're discussing positions like those.
        • vbezhenar 5y ago
          "Mozilla CEO Increased Her Salary From 2.5 Million Dollars to Over 3 Million" This person alone receives around 1% of the budget.
          • boomboomsubban 5y ago
            When she "increased her salary" she became the CEO seemingly without replacing her old role, becoming the only executive.
    • RobertMiller 5y ago
      It's worse than this. While money does not flow from Mozilla Foundation to Mozilla Corporation, the opposite is not true. A lot of the money that Mozilla Corporation manages to make is not spent on Firefox development, but is instead paid to Mozilla Foundation, ostensibly to license the Mozilla brand. The Foundation is actively holding Firefox back with this organizational scheme. > For 2019, the Mozilla Foundation received $15,858,258 per a trademark license agreement with Mozilla Corporation, allowing us to reinvest earnings from our products into advocacy and grant making that grow the internet health movement. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2019/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2019/
    • mch82 5y ago
      Of course. Mozilla is competing for the same talent as Google, Microsoft, and Apple. Browsers are the most important software at those companies because most other software runs on them. The Hacker News community doesn’t seem to appreciate the work Mozilla has done to establish web standards. I’ve experienced what it’s like to be stuck with IE6 and IE11 for a decade, holding back web projects at work. Firefox broke through that inertia and made Google, Amazon, Netflix and other companies possible. Essentially, Firefox made the whole “startup” wave Hacker News rides on possible (though much of that momentum transferred to the App Stores).
      • hutzlibu 5y ago
        "Mozilla is competing for the same talent as Google, Microsoft, and Apple." Not exactly the same. Many are willing to accept less pay, to work on meaningful open source and not for advertisement.
        • AlphaSite 5y ago
          Maybe 10-20% less, but it’s not enough to meaningfully make a difference.
          • hutzlibu 5y ago
            20% less would be already quite meaningful. Add to that volunteers who work completely for free, and this could give an edge and I would argue, that this is mainly what keeps firefox alive. Despite their management increasingly acting like a ordinary company. "In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008.[14] On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%. When asked about her salary she stated "I learned that my pay was about an 80% discount to market. Meaning that competitive roles elsewhere were paying about 5 times as much. That's too big a discount to ask people and their families to commit to." " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Mozilla_Foundation_and_Mozilla_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Mozilla_Foundat...
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  • dzikimarian 5y ago
    TBH they they could do a little more in regards of donating. For eg. I can very easily ask my government to donate 1% of my taxes to Wikimedia foundation, but Mozilla is not registered as such in my country.
  • abbe98 5y ago
    I wonder how much of Mozilla budget is actually spent on Firefox. Wikimedia Foundation had a revenue of $157 million in 2021 and >550 staff and contractors.
• boomboomsubban 5y ago
  You can contribute directly to Thunderbird, I often wonder if it's poor performance is one of the reasons similar things aren't tried with Firefox. https://give.thunderbird.net/en-US/ https://give.thunderbird.net/en-US/
  • lucideer 5y ago
    Thunderbird is a separate and entirely voluntary project that Mozilla don't manage. But even apart from Mozilla's lack of involvement, it's also a wildly different - and so incomparable - product (local email in a webmail dominated world, compared to a browser in a browser dominated world). Thunderbird would absolutely be worse off if they didn't have that (great, well organised) facility.
  • dorfsmay 5y ago
    Same I contribute too, and seriously wish the same was setup for Firefox. I suspect the Thunderbird fund is not doing well because people assuming giving to Mozilla funds mainly technical work and most people don't know about Mozilla issues nor about the smaller direct funds like Thunderbird's.
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