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This is disgusting and thoughtless, because it accomplishes nothing but alienating Russian or Belarusian users. It doesn’t attempt to spread the truth or convin

by 0x38B 5y ago

This is disgusting and thoughtless, because it accomplishes nothing but alienating Russian or Belarusian users. It doesn’t attempt to spread the truth or convince people that yes, Russian forces really are committing war crimes. Killing children. I would love for pro-“special operation” Russians to find out why Ukrainian hospitals in the war zone keep their lights off at night. Hint: so they won’t be targeted. Spreading those truths could have done some good, but this… this is merely malicious.

rosndo 5y ago
> This is disgusting and thoughtless, because it accomplishes nothing but alienating Russian or Belarusian users. It doesn’t attempt to spread the truth or convince people that yes, Russian forces really are committing war crimes. Killing children. You could say exactly the same about economic sanctions, no? The idea that spreading information about Russian war crimes in Ukraine will somehow lead to a popular uprising is really far fetched.
- tored 5y ago
  When Wikileaks spread information about US war crimes in Iraq it didn’t lead to any uprising in the US at all, protest yes but no uprising. The regime got re-elected. Instead what did happened was the imprisonments of the journalist Julian Assange. In the age we live in most citizens, in any country, are powerless, if you peacefully speak up against your own regime you will be doxxed, silenced, arrested, your bank accounts frozen and even be classified as a terrorist. This have been the case in authoritarian countries but now also is common in so called democratic countries too. Thinking that you create massive change in another country by putting sanctions on that citizenry is naive, not only will they be punished for the sanctions itself but also when speaking up.
  - samhw 5y ago
    > if you peacefully speak up against your own regime you will be doxxed, silenced, arrested, your bank accounts frozen and even be classified as a terrorist > this ... now also is common in so called democratic countries too Uh, in what democratic countries, exactly?
    - tored 5y ago
      A few examples Canada (terrorist, bank accounts frozen) USA (no fly list, bank accounts closed) Sweden & Austria (bank accounts closed) All this with any court order. Doxxing and silencing is done by groups closely related to the regime, e.g. gets funding, like media and ngos.
- ncr100 5y ago
  No. Economic sanctions target sectors. Average Russians not eating McDonald's is not the target of sanctions. Profit from food sales then going to oligarchs and supporting the military is. This package does more harm to the McDonald's eating crowd.... https://youtu.be/H5GS4uUeHVA https://youtu.be/H5GS4uUeHVA
  - rosndo 5y ago
    > This package does more harm to the McDonald's eating crowd.... This isn’t a videogame dropping wiper malware, but business software. So no, I don’t see how this is supposed to harm the McDonald’s eating crowd any more than sanctions do.
    - ncr100 5y ago
      Node IPC I agree would likely not be used by a "babushka" however the users of those businesses products and services are the people who need to access the services that the business operates. In fact it destroys the data that the users populate with the business. Therefore, I argue that the user is harmed more than the business. To compare, I believe average Russians are more impacted in terms of the amount of money that they can access freely, based upon the video that I added in my initial response to your comment, above.
      - rosndo 5y ago
        I think now we’re solidly in the same territory as regular economic sanctions, which will also cause more harm to the regular people than to those directly culpable for enabling the war. But I also think to some extent it’s only fair that the regular people pay a price for the war. Not necessarily a very steep one, but a price nonetheless.
        ncr100 5y ago
        Okay. I certainly hope not. There's limited impact that the ordinary Russian citizen can have I believe on their own government. So it seems illogical to knowingly harm, primarily, an impotent underclass. That seems like unwise strategy. To be clear I'm still a supporter of the sanctions as I understand them impacting the upper class more significantly than the mass underclass. Presuming that the goal is for Russia to stop and roll back its invasion of Ukraine, the sanctions that have Frozen basically all international currency interactions with Russia. The node IPC rewrite, to destroy data of business systems, seems unlike anything that you and I have talked about so far in the subthread, and instead seems more like a malicious way to cripple and permanently harm users. Their data which they have entrusted with the businesses now potentially all trashed. It's certainly not like anything which my government, the US government, has publicly discussed doing against Russia in response to this invasion. It's frankly an illegal action by the node IPC owner based on my understanding of computer crimes.

by 0x38B 5y ago

rosndo 5y ago

> This is disgusting and thoughtless, because it accomplishes nothing but alienating Russian or Belarusian users. It doesn’t attempt to spread the truth or convince people that yes, Russian forces really are committing war crimes. Killing children. You could say exactly the same about economic sanctions, no? The idea that spreading information about Russian war crimes in Ukraine will somehow lead to a popular uprising is really far fetched.

tored 5y ago
When Wikileaks spread information about US war crimes in Iraq it didn’t lead to any uprising in the US at all, protest yes but no uprising. The regime got re-elected. Instead what did happened was the imprisonments of the journalist Julian Assange. In the age we live in most citizens, in any country, are powerless, if you peacefully speak up against your own regime you will be doxxed, silenced, arrested, your bank accounts frozen and even be classified as a terrorist. This have been the case in authoritarian countries but now also is common in so called democratic countries too. Thinking that you create massive change in another country by putting sanctions on that citizenry is naive, not only will they be punished for the sanctions itself but also when speaking up.
- samhw 5y ago
  > if you peacefully speak up against your own regime you will be doxxed, silenced, arrested, your bank accounts frozen and even be classified as a terrorist > this ... now also is common in so called democratic countries too Uh, in what democratic countries, exactly?
  - tored 5y ago
    A few examples Canada (terrorist, bank accounts frozen) USA (no fly list, bank accounts closed) Sweden & Austria (bank accounts closed) All this with any court order. Doxxing and silencing is done by groups closely related to the regime, e.g. gets funding, like media and ngos.
ncr100 5y ago
No. Economic sanctions target sectors. Average Russians not eating McDonald's is not the target of sanctions. Profit from food sales then going to oligarchs and supporting the military is. This package does more harm to the McDonald's eating crowd.... https://youtu.be/H5GS4uUeHVA https://youtu.be/H5GS4uUeHVA
- rosndo 5y ago
  > This package does more harm to the McDonald's eating crowd.... This isn’t a videogame dropping wiper malware, but business software. So no, I don’t see how this is supposed to harm the McDonald’s eating crowd any more than sanctions do.
  - ncr100 5y ago
    Node IPC I agree would likely not be used by a "babushka" however the users of those businesses products and services are the people who need to access the services that the business operates. In fact it destroys the data that the users populate with the business. Therefore, I argue that the user is harmed more than the business. To compare, I believe average Russians are more impacted in terms of the amount of money that they can access freely, based upon the video that I added in my initial response to your comment, above.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      I think now we’re solidly in the same territory as regular economic sanctions, which will also cause more harm to the regular people than to those directly culpable for enabling the war. But I also think to some extent it’s only fair that the regular people pay a price for the war. Not necessarily a very steep one, but a price nonetheless.
      - ncr100 5y ago
        Okay. I certainly hope not. There's limited impact that the ordinary Russian citizen can have I believe on their own government. So it seems illogical to knowingly harm, primarily, an impotent underclass. That seems like unwise strategy. To be clear I'm still a supporter of the sanctions as I understand them impacting the upper class more significantly than the mass underclass. Presuming that the goal is for Russia to stop and roll back its invasion of Ukraine, the sanctions that have Frozen basically all international currency interactions with Russia. The node IPC rewrite, to destroy data of business systems, seems unlike anything that you and I have talked about so far in the subthread, and instead seems more like a malicious way to cripple and permanently harm users. Their data which they have entrusted with the businesses now potentially all trashed. It's certainly not like anything which my government, the US government, has publicly discussed doing against Russia in response to this invasion. It's frankly an illegal action by the node IPC owner based on my understanding of computer crimes.