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If photography can be made with the click of a button, drawing can be made with the flick of a pencil. Good photography, like good drawing, does require both ef

If photography can be made with the click of a button, drawing can be made with the flick of a pencil. Good photography, like good drawing, does require both effort and skill—usually, if not always, quite a lot more than that of a toddler drawing scribbles. In fact, a single photograph may require a great deal of time and careful planning to execute (perhaps with a series of concept sketches, lighting plans, and so on to work out the compositional and logistical details).

TheRealNGenius 5y ago
That's great. And yeah you're right, a drawing with a flick of the pencil probably sucks. But it's still a drawing. It took some level of effort - the less effort, the more it sucks. But in the end, I make art. For a photo, there might have been effort, but it was taken with a camera. I don't take art using a camera. I take photos. Ie: I go into Minecraft and build something. That's art. vs. I go into Minecraft and take a photo of something that someone else made. That's a screenshot.
- imtringued 5y ago
  I have seen some people make beautiful screenshots of games in artificially created environments where basically the only reason for the existence of the feature is to make screenshots. Oh and by the way, they were all screenshots of something the game developers made. Stop motion animation can't be art either because it is just a chain of photos of objects someone else made.
  - TheRealNGenius 5y ago
    They can be great screenshots, no doubt! Stop motion animation can be great too. I've heard great things about Isle of Dogs, and other stop motion movies from studio Laika. And yeah, they can certainly be artistic.
- readbeard 5y ago
  Well, I was responding to your argument that photos are not art because art requires skill and effort. It sounds like you are conceding my point that some photographs take more skill and effort than some drawings that you would consider art—so based on that it seems we are on the same page that your "skill and effort" criterion, by itself, doesn't seem to be able to tell us what is and isn't art. At this point it sounds like you are simply asserting, without providing an argument, that your position is correct. But I am unclear on what exactly your claim is: is it that (1) no photography is art or that (2) the photographs that you yourself take, as a rule, tend not to be art?
  - TheRealNGenius 5y ago
    Sure, I can make it more clear. Yes, you're right, it's not just about skill and effort. But I am claiming that for me, no photography is art. I concede that it can be artistic, but not art. I am indeed asserting, without proof, of my opinion, as I believe we all should. This is my criteria for what is and isn't art: https://w0nder.herokuapp.com/posts/9fjM1tOJO7MWX4fYw3AU2Q==/what-s-art-and-what-s-not https://w0nder.herokuapp.com/posts/9fjM1tOJO7MWX4fYw3AU2Q==/...

TheRealNGenius 5y ago

That's great. And yeah you're right, a drawing with a flick of the pencil probably sucks. But it's still a drawing. It took some level of effort - the less effort, the more it sucks. But in the end, I make art. For a photo, there might have been effort, but it was taken with a camera. I don't take art using a camera. I take photos. Ie: I go into Minecraft and build something. That's art. vs. I go into Minecraft and take a photo of something that someone else made. That's a screenshot.

imtringued 5y ago
I have seen some people make beautiful screenshots of games in artificially created environments where basically the only reason for the existence of the feature is to make screenshots. Oh and by the way, they were all screenshots of something the game developers made. Stop motion animation can't be art either because it is just a chain of photos of objects someone else made.
- TheRealNGenius 5y ago
  They can be great screenshots, no doubt! Stop motion animation can be great too. I've heard great things about Isle of Dogs, and other stop motion movies from studio Laika. And yeah, they can certainly be artistic.
readbeard 5y ago
Well, I was responding to your argument that photos are not art because art requires skill and effort. It sounds like you are conceding my point that some photographs take more skill and effort than some drawings that you would consider art—so based on that it seems we are on the same page that your "skill and effort" criterion, by itself, doesn't seem to be able to tell us what is and isn't art. At this point it sounds like you are simply asserting, without providing an argument, that your position is correct. But I am unclear on what exactly your claim is: is it that (1) no photography is art or that (2) the photographs that you yourself take, as a rule, tend not to be art?
- TheRealNGenius 5y ago
  Sure, I can make it more clear. Yes, you're right, it's not just about skill and effort. But I am claiming that for me, no photography is art. I concede that it can be artistic, but not art. I am indeed asserting, without proof, of my opinion, as I believe we all should. This is my criteria for what is and isn't art: https://w0nder.herokuapp.com/posts/9fjM1tOJO7MWX4fYw3AU2Q==/what-s-art-and-what-s-not https://w0nder.herokuapp.com/posts/9fjM1tOJO7MWX4fYw3AU2Q==/...