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You know I let a lot of important things in Firefox slide (like the poor Webspeech API support, bad text-to-speech, some missing extensions and a lot of other t

by thyrox 5y ago

You know I let a lot of important things in Firefox slide (like the poor Webspeech API support, bad text-to-speech, some missing extensions and a lot of other things) but I still make it a habit to use it over Chrome (and recommend it to everybody) as somewhere in my mind it feels like a small revolt against the giant evil Google corp. But stuff like this and other shenanigans in the past (like Mr.robot, misuse of funding, etc) is really off-putting sometimes. It really makes me feel naive and just drinking the support open-source kool-aid.

OrlandoHakim 5y ago
I switched to Brave - no regrets
- mrjangles 5y ago
  I'm almost certain Brave would have something like this too as advertising is their business model, right?
  - btdmaster 5y ago
    It does: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html
  - xtat 5y ago
    Suggest everyone here read up on Brave - internally the care for privacy is much higher than Mozilla [I have worked for both] and things like P3A liked here are carefully designed to avoid leaking PII and implemented honestly somewhat begrudgingly.
- wyclif 5y ago
  I did, too. All I can tell you is that when I have Brave running on an M1 with four tabs open, it's consistently using 240MB of memory. When I fire up Firefox Developer Edition with the same tabs open, it starts at 660MB and quickly balloons up to 1.05GB of memory usage.
  - nemosaltat 5y ago
    My experience also. I’ve slowly edged away from Firefox and have primarily been using Brave and Safari for the last 6mos or so. Brave just feels snappier, and it’s close enough to Chrome that most work required websites aren’t broken.
    - jamjamjamjamjam 5y ago
      Ive made the opposite switch, many sites were broken in brave (eg google docs, google sheets) and aren’t in firefox
      - wyclif 5y ago
        I currently have a number of Google Docs and Sheets open in Brave. Because of your comment, I started poking around. Try as I might, I couldn't break anything. That probably doesn't mean there's absolutely no way anything could be broken, but just anecdotal—I couldn't find anything.
    - the_other 5y ago
      They are still broken, you just can’t see it.
  - gitrog 5y ago
    How are the devtools in Brave?
    - wyclif 5y ago
      They're comparable to Chromium's, if not identical: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser https://github.com/brave/brave-browser
    - michalstanko 5y ago
      Same as Chrome
  - bdlowery 5y ago
- sellerie 5y ago
  People complain about firefox doing shady stuff and then use Brave lmao. Just leaving these here: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/19125#issuecomment-955806829 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/19125#issuecom... https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/16611#issuecomment-868203630 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/16611#issuecom...
  - zeepzeep 5y ago
    > Steps to Reproduce > 1. Open Brave This is way too funny for me.
  - dangerface 5y ago
    The first bug is because of daylight savings the was also in chrome. People mistakenly thought it was to do with brave servers being down. The second one is people trying to install plugins from the chrome web store, apparently it has to do this through brave servers. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable that when installing a plugin from your browser that your browser has to connect to a server to do so. Trying to present bugs as some sort of malware is dishonest, the source code is open if it was really phoning home why not just link that code?
  - benibela 5y ago
    >High CPU usage I have that problem all the time in Firefox But probably I just opened too many tabs
    - buo 5y ago
      I'd suggest the Auto Tab Discard extension. It's wonderful.
    - TheGoddessInari 5y ago
      I tend to open multiple thousands of tabs because Firefox lets me, and it hasn't been a cpu issue on desktop or Android.
      - 5y ago
- iRobbery 5y ago
  little snitch pops up more here for updates checks and others i assume for brave (idle, not browsing) than chrome does.
  - xtat 5y ago
    Interestingly this is likely for privacy reasons in a roundabout way. Brave doesn't connect to Google and so had to implement much of the serverside functionality (updates, sync etc) itself.
- kgonza 5y ago
  Lol; this isn't something you should boast about.
- __alexs 5y ago
  You don't regret supporting a guy who wants to ban same sex marriage and pushes covid misinfo?
  - docmars 5y ago
    All people are fallible — by this logic, you should stop buying anything at all. Someone associated with anything you purchase or use just might have a scary opinion you can't tolerate, and we can't have that, can we now? Oh the agony!
  - unmole 5y ago
    Does he use the browser for that? If not, how is it relevant?
- wumms 5y ago
  From Wikipedia: > On 6 June 2020, a Twitter user pointed out that Brave inserts affiliate referral codes when users type a URL of Binance into the address bar, which earns Brave money. Further research revealed that Brave redirects the URLs of other cryptocurrency exchange websites, too. In response to the backlash from the users, Brave's CEO apologized and called it a "mistake" and said "we're correcting". [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Insertion_of_referral_codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Insertion_...
- bigbugbag 5y ago
  a browser who does not develop their own code base but reuse google's, with a business model based on monetizing users attention to ads network while pretending to protect privacy and block ads. I wonder what could go wrong here ? maybe their history of misbehaving with money and injecting affiliate links in users browsing or the security issues and leaks could give us a pointer or two.
busymom0 5y ago
I changed my default browser few days ago back to Safari. In Firefox, I would usually click the first two items on the home page which would be photopea or reddit. That day, they put 2 sponsored items for Amazon and Trivago instead at the first 2 spots and I accidentally clicked the amazon one without realizing because that first item was supposed to be Photopea. That was enough to piss me off: https://i.imgur.com/s7NIfCX.png https://i.imgur.com/s7NIfCX.png
- VexorLoophole 5y ago
  What do you use for adblocking on safari?
  - 58028641 5y ago
    I switched to AdGuard after Safari stopped supporting uBlock Origin.
  - busymom0 5y ago
    I use Adblock Pro. I got it for free a while back and it’s perfect. AdGuard is another good one.
  - mediumsmart 5y ago
    /etc/hosts
  - ideologysec 5y ago
    1Blocker is pretty good, especially if you use iOS (syncs rules, etc). Not free, though. Worth it to turn off annoyances IMHO.
- laurent92 5y ago
  Advertising inside of Firefox is going insane, even if it’s just ads for Mozilla. Tabs that opens when you open FF, little lines on the home page, “Big browser takes care of your privacy” starts looking very creepy.
  - 5y ago
technobabbler 5y ago
Firefox has no real competitive pressure and no need to improve. Google is their sugar daddy and Mozilla stopped innovating a decade ago. It's just constantly playing catchup while suckling on Google teats, desperately clinging onto relevance. Without Google nobody would pay for their browser. At this point it'd be better for the web if we standardized on Blink and moved on, cleaning up some of the invasive tracking in Chrome but leaving the renderer intact. Gecko and Safari/Webkit are just holding back the web. Firefox provides nothing but a bunch of incompatibilities these days and some warm fuzzies that honestly haven't been deserved for years and years. Modern Firefox is slow, bloated spamware.
- bigbugbag 5y ago
  Modern firefox is called librewolf or waterfox. It respects privacy and works quite well (Actually much better than chrome based browser on my machine). Mozilla management seems to be the issue, not firefox itself.
  - technobabbler 5y ago
    Yeah, but those projects are forever downstream of Firefox, no? Like they still depend on Mozilla to build new features and such, but then remove the Mozilla-y stuff before publishing? I think the Chromium model has them forking from a shared base, and Google adds their own Chrome bits after that...? Or am I wrong?
- pell 5y ago
  Firefox has fixed a lot of issues in their Quantum release. It removed a lot of what you called bloat as well. In tests it uses a lot less memory on average compared to Chrome. The privacy settings have been extended even further in recent years. Chrome’s settings come not even close to it. The extension system is still more flexible than Chrome’s. It has some built-in features such as autoplay stop and audio control that Chrome lacks. I also think you’re vastly overstating the incompatibilities on Firefox. Finally, isn’t it better if there are multiple browser engines instead of just one? This allows for more innovation and has done so in the past too. The past pretty much proves that Firefox has and still can innovate despite your assertion. I also wonder why you are stating all this in such a polemic and vulgar fashion. “ suckling on Google teats”, “bloated spamware”. None of this is even remotely accurate. But anyhow, what’s the point?

by thyrox 5y ago

OrlandoHakim 5y ago

I switched to Brave - no regrets

mrjangles 5y ago
I'm almost certain Brave would have something like this too as advertising is their business model, right?
- btdmaster 5y ago
  It does: https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/brave.html
- xtat 5y ago
  Suggest everyone here read up on Brave - internally the care for privacy is much higher than Mozilla [I have worked for both] and things like P3A liked here are carefully designed to avoid leaking PII and implemented honestly somewhat begrudgingly.
wyclif 5y ago
I did, too. All I can tell you is that when I have Brave running on an M1 with four tabs open, it's consistently using 240MB of memory. When I fire up Firefox Developer Edition with the same tabs open, it starts at 660MB and quickly balloons up to 1.05GB of memory usage.
- nemosaltat 5y ago
  My experience also. I’ve slowly edged away from Firefox and have primarily been using Brave and Safari for the last 6mos or so. Brave just feels snappier, and it’s close enough to Chrome that most work required websites aren’t broken.
  - jamjamjamjamjam 5y ago
    Ive made the opposite switch, many sites were broken in brave (eg google docs, google sheets) and aren’t in firefox
    - wyclif 5y ago
      I currently have a number of Google Docs and Sheets open in Brave. Because of your comment, I started poking around. Try as I might, I couldn't break anything. That probably doesn't mean there's absolutely no way anything could be broken, but just anecdotal—I couldn't find anything.
  - the_other 5y ago
    They are still broken, you just can’t see it.
- gitrog 5y ago
  How are the devtools in Brave?
  - wyclif 5y ago
    They're comparable to Chromium's, if not identical: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser https://github.com/brave/brave-browser
  - michalstanko 5y ago
    Same as Chrome
- bdlowery 5y ago
sellerie 5y ago
People complain about firefox doing shady stuff and then use Brave lmao. Just leaving these here: https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/19125#issuecomment-955806829 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/19125#issuecom... https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/16611#issuecomment-868203630 https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/16611#issuecom...
- zeepzeep 5y ago
  > Steps to Reproduce > 1. Open Brave This is way too funny for me.
- dangerface 5y ago
  The first bug is because of daylight savings the was also in chrome. People mistakenly thought it was to do with brave servers being down. The second one is people trying to install plugins from the chrome web store, apparently it has to do this through brave servers. I don't think it's entirely unreasonable that when installing a plugin from your browser that your browser has to connect to a server to do so. Trying to present bugs as some sort of malware is dishonest, the source code is open if it was really phoning home why not just link that code?
- benibela 5y ago
  >High CPU usage I have that problem all the time in Firefox But probably I just opened too many tabs
  - buo 5y ago
    I'd suggest the Auto Tab Discard extension. It's wonderful.
  - TheGoddessInari 5y ago
    I tend to open multiple thousands of tabs because Firefox lets me, and it hasn't been a cpu issue on desktop or Android.
    - 5y ago
iRobbery 5y ago
little snitch pops up more here for updates checks and others i assume for brave (idle, not browsing) than chrome does.
- xtat 5y ago
  Interestingly this is likely for privacy reasons in a roundabout way. Brave doesn't connect to Google and so had to implement much of the serverside functionality (updates, sync etc) itself.
kgonza 5y ago
Lol; this isn't something you should boast about.
__alexs 5y ago
You don't regret supporting a guy who wants to ban same sex marriage and pushes covid misinfo?
- docmars 5y ago
  All people are fallible — by this logic, you should stop buying anything at all. Someone associated with anything you purchase or use just might have a scary opinion you can't tolerate, and we can't have that, can we now? Oh the agony!
- unmole 5y ago
  Does he use the browser for that? If not, how is it relevant?
wumms 5y ago
From Wikipedia: > On 6 June 2020, a Twitter user pointed out that Brave inserts affiliate referral codes when users type a URL of Binance into the address bar, which earns Brave money. Further research revealed that Brave redirects the URLs of other cryptocurrency exchange websites, too. In response to the backlash from the users, Brave's CEO apologized and called it a "mistake" and said "we're correcting". [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Insertion_of_referral_codes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)#Insertion_...
bigbugbag 5y ago
a browser who does not develop their own code base but reuse google's, with a business model based on monetizing users attention to ads network while pretending to protect privacy and block ads. I wonder what could go wrong here ? maybe their history of misbehaving with money and injecting affiliate links in users browsing or the security issues and leaks could give us a pointer or two.

busymom0 5y ago

I changed my default browser few days ago back to Safari. In Firefox, I would usually click the first two items on the home page which would be photopea or reddit. That day, they put 2 sponsored items for Amazon and Trivago instead at the first 2 spots and I accidentally clicked the amazon one without realizing because that first item was supposed to be Photopea. That was enough to piss me off: https://i.imgur.com/s7NIfCX.png https://i.imgur.com/s7NIfCX.png

VexorLoophole 5y ago
What do you use for adblocking on safari?
- 58028641 5y ago
  I switched to AdGuard after Safari stopped supporting uBlock Origin.
- busymom0 5y ago
  I use Adblock Pro. I got it for free a while back and it’s perfect. AdGuard is another good one.
- mediumsmart 5y ago
  /etc/hosts
- ideologysec 5y ago
  1Blocker is pretty good, especially if you use iOS (syncs rules, etc). Not free, though. Worth it to turn off annoyances IMHO.
laurent92 5y ago
Advertising inside of Firefox is going insane, even if it’s just ads for Mozilla. Tabs that opens when you open FF, little lines on the home page, “Big browser takes care of your privacy” starts looking very creepy.
- 5y ago

technobabbler 5y ago

Firefox has no real competitive pressure and no need to improve. Google is their sugar daddy and Mozilla stopped innovating a decade ago. It's just constantly playing catchup while suckling on Google teats, desperately clinging onto relevance. Without Google nobody would pay for their browser. At this point it'd be better for the web if we standardized on Blink and moved on, cleaning up some of the invasive tracking in Chrome but leaving the renderer intact. Gecko and Safari/Webkit are just holding back the web. Firefox provides nothing but a bunch of incompatibilities these days and some warm fuzzies that honestly haven't been deserved for years and years. Modern Firefox is slow, bloated spamware.

bigbugbag 5y ago
Modern firefox is called librewolf or waterfox. It respects privacy and works quite well (Actually much better than chrome based browser on my machine). Mozilla management seems to be the issue, not firefox itself.
- technobabbler 5y ago
  Yeah, but those projects are forever downstream of Firefox, no? Like they still depend on Mozilla to build new features and such, but then remove the Mozilla-y stuff before publishing? I think the Chromium model has them forking from a shared base, and Google adds their own Chrome bits after that...? Or am I wrong?
pell 5y ago
Firefox has fixed a lot of issues in their Quantum release. It removed a lot of what you called bloat as well. In tests it uses a lot less memory on average compared to Chrome. The privacy settings have been extended even further in recent years. Chrome’s settings come not even close to it. The extension system is still more flexible than Chrome’s. It has some built-in features such as autoplay stop and audio control that Chrome lacks. I also think you’re vastly overstating the incompatibilities on Firefox. Finally, isn’t it better if there are multiple browser engines instead of just one? This allows for more innovation and has done so in the past too. The past pretty much proves that Firefox has and still can innovate despite your assertion. I also wonder why you are stating all this in such a polemic and vulgar fashion. “ suckling on Google teats”, “bloated spamware”. None of this is even remotely accurate. But anyhow, what’s the point?