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Apple's 'Let's Talk iPhone' keynote liveblog
- gizmo 15y agoThese guys got a live stream for most of the keynote last time: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/applelivekeynotes http://www.ustream.tv/channel/applelivekeynotes
- timmaah 15y agoEither they crashed.. or they crashed ustream
- xenophanes 15y ago140,000 users viewing a black screen (broken video). lol that's a lot. hope it works soon. the total views is going up at like 1500/second
- buff-a 15y agoFuck this is a shitty way to have to view an event in this century.
- e28eta 15y agoI agree, but it sure does feed the hype machine. Think about how many news sites are hosting live blogs, and how many incidental visitors are seeing front page articles about it, and have been seeing ads for the live blog for days leading up to today. Now contrast that to a company where anyone can watch the announcement live. I think most places you'd just get an article or two at the end of a product announcement, because the people who really care will just watch the announcement themselves.
- buff-a 15y agoThe "This webpage is not available" page is even better! ars is still up at least: http://live.arstechnica.com/Event/iPhone_5 http://live.arstechnica.com/Event/iPhone_5
- lazugod 15y agoFor free.
- hugh3 15y agoSave time. Wait 'til it's over, and then find out everything you actually want to know when someone posts a summary. Do we have a summary so far? There's an iPhone 5, I assume? How does it differ from the iPhone 4?
- shoota 15y agoiPhone 4S, differences are better camera, A5 processor.
- Splines 15y agoIRC with image links would have been easier to consume.
- icey 15y agoArs has a pretty good liveblog going as well: http://live.arstechnica.com/Event/iPhone_5 http://live.arstechnica.com/Event/iPhone_5
- 6ren 15y agoThat one's updating much more quickly, though has fewer photos. EDIT seems to be fixed now EDIT2 yet, there seems to be a darth of images again... engadget still has them EDIT3 OK, engadget is offline EDIT4 engadget is back (am I really blogging bloggers?)
- brlewis 15y ago(I'm being told my images aren't coming through, we're working on it guys) by Jacqui Cheng 1:24 PM (ok, images seem to be going through again, hang tight) by Jacqui Cheng 1:25 PM
- joezydeco 15y agoNone of the blogs are working. A 1:n medium like Twitter is your last resort. There has to be a better way to do this.
- Pyrodogg 15y agoLike for Apple to actually live stream the event.... ...nope, back to clicking refresh and killing live blog servers.
- wh-uws 15y agoJust a note: apparently ars is down accept for the liveblog http://arstechnica.com/ http://arstechnica.com/
- acak 15y agoAt thisismynext.com from the former Engadget crew: http://live.thisismynext.com/Event/Apple_iPhone_5_event_live_blog http://live.thisismynext.com/Event/Apple_iPhone_5_event_live...
- ubasu 15y agoApparently, the HN dup-check differentiates on the trailing slash: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3071680 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3071680
- TallTalesOrTrue 15y agoSaw this on Engadget: 1:26PM That got applause. People seem desperate to clap for something. That was it. Pretty much sums up what we have seen so far
- FireBeyond 15y ago"2:02PM Phil's taking a shot against the Atrix, Thrill, and Inspire 4G. "The iPhone 4S is just as fast as these phones."" Wow. "Guys, this is awesome! Our new phone is just as fast as an Android phone that came out a year ago!" (The Atrix, about to be supplanted by the Atrix 2).
- culturestate 15y ago> Wow. "Guys, this is awesome! Our new phone is just as fast as an Android phone that came out a year ago!" (The Atrix, about to be supplanted by the Atrix 2). He was pretty clearly using them as examples of "4G" phones when it comes to data transfer speeds and nothing more.
- calloc 15y agoIt seems that ScribbleLive isn't keeping up anymore :/
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- joelanman 15y agothe friend tracking feature seems similar to Glympse, which I've used a lot: http://www.glympse.com/ http://www.glympse.com/ sharing your location for a set time is really useful
- gurkendoktor 15y agoI guess with all the toddlers supposedly owning iPods/iPhones/iPads, this has some valid use cases. But actively supporting personal surveillance systems seems like a weird move to me after the media hubbub about the location cache.
- evgen 15y agoYes, this is something people legitimately want. There are lots of occasions where I will go somewhere with friends/spouse and want to wander but occasionally sync up or know where someone else is. It sure beats SMSing "where R U" messages back and forth.
- gurkendoktor 15y agoI guess I edited my posting while your were answering, sorry about that. I clarified that I am actually more worried about the public reaction to this rather than legitimate use cases. Not really worried, just, why not leave it at a third party app? To answer my own question, Apple's solution has probably both more polish and more lock-in power, just as with iMessage vs WhatsApp & Co.
- FireBeyond 15y ago"The MBA, which has fundamentally changed the way people think about computers"... Err, no, I really don't believe it has.
- baggachipz 15y agoDamn, I have never heard of glympse. I actually made my own app for this six months ago: http://l.oc8.me http://l.oc8.me . Glad I'm not going to spend time creating native versions, and can move on to my next pet project. :)
- 6ren 15y agoThe verge is updating pretty quickly http://live.thisismynext.com/Event/Apple_iPhone_5_event_live_blog http://live.thisismynext.com/Event/Apple_iPhone_5_event_live... heh, they didn't ripoff that guy that did the watch version of the nano, but instead complemented with "16 new clock faces."
- melling 15y agoEngadget and Ars keep going down. Ugh.
- rkaede 15y agoCNN live video stream: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream4#/video/cvplive/cvpstream4 http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream4#/video/c...
- Slimy 15y agoiPhone 4S? I want the iPhone 5 :(
- ABCD_FUFU 15y agoYeah, they are smoking crack, no screen bump no money.
- Thrymr 15y agoLots of AT&T 3GS owners just out of contract, though. They'll probably go for the 4S. And Apple gets to save the iPhone 5 for another big announcement in 6 months.
- jfb 15y agoOnce Apple can put the tech that would justify a jump from 4 to 5 and retain their (50% of ASP!) margin, they will. Idly, I wonder if they're getting a sufficient cut from the carriers to make the 3GS at no cost profitable, or if rather this is what they mean to do with their cash hoard: chase market share AND increase profitability. DISCLAIMER: I used to work for Apple. I have no specific knowledge about the phone.
- djloche 15y agoThe prices you saw are the carrier subsidized prices. The carriers buy the phones from apple and then subsidize the cost, and try to make a profit over the length of the contract. The presentation was a little bit sloppy, because previous presentations would have footnoted that these were with a new 2 year contract prices, not "we're selling these phones at these prices".
- jfb 15y agoI understand that part. I'm just amazed that the demand for the 3GS is sufficient, and AT&T desperate enough, for Apple to retain the tooling to build them.
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- tvon 15y agoI'm surprised so many live blogs have gone down considering how tame the rumors leading up to this event have been.
- tejaswiy 15y agoHmm, everything seems pretty expected till now. Dual core processor, better graphics, "4G" support, better camera. Roll out the speech tech and nfc !
- alnayyir 15y agoBut is the 4g support included with Verizon service? 3G is my main dislike of my iPhone 4.
- joeguilmette 15y agoHDSPA, so Apple gets points for not buying into the 4G marketing bullshit while still of erring next gen mobile bandwidth
- alnayyir 15y agoVerizon has HSDPA service? I thought their "4G" equivalent was LTE and that HSDPA was for the GSM carriers.
- al_james 15y ago>Hmm, everything seems pretty expected till now Except its called iPhone 4S and not iPhone 5!
- cpeterso 15y agoThe "iPhone 4S" name was a pretty common rumor, so it is not unexpected. Given the iPhone's "tick-tock" release schedule (3G->3GS->4->4S), I was not surprised.
- kayoone 15y agowell but since yesterday all you knew was 1 -> 3G -> 3GS -> (first real redesign) Iphone 4 Easy to say in hindsight and based on the rumors, but still they didnt really have a tick-tock release cycle before.
- evgen 15y agoBoth GSM & CDMA. This is going to be one of the huge factors for the 4S & 5. If I can now play Verizon, Sprint, & AT&T off against each other then this may be a big, big win for US consumers.
- pflats 15y agoThis also means that Verizon's iPhones lose one of their biggest downsides, that whole worldwide compatability thing.
- evgen 15y agoYeah. I wonder how things like carrier lock are going to work on this new model. If I have Verizon service in the US and go to Europe can I drop in a local SIM card and use that? If so what is to prevent me from using that same feature when I am back in the US? Hmmmm....
- seanalltogether 15y agoI would guess the world phones are sold unsubsidized.
- mahyarm 15y agoVerizon's other world phones (Like the Droid 2 World) have a 'US only lock'. It will lock out USA SIM cards, but it otherwise unlocked everywhere else. It's also subsidized. I think that is a very fair way to do it.
- alexg0 15y agoThink Sprint may still be able to sell that big chunk of phones they committed themselves to. I can definitely see going back to Sprint, if they get reasonable roaming deals, particularly on international data.
- tvon 15y agoI'm having a hard time separating the wheat fromt the chaff in all that camera talk, is anyone familiar with these changes/sensors (since I suspect they're not unique to Apple devices)?
- wiredfool 15y agoIt's still a phone camera. It's better than it was, but image quality is still not going to be as good as a dedicated camera, even one of a few generations back. It should blow away the ipad2/ipod touch cameras. It may be a noticeable difference from the iphone4, but I wouldn't bet on it. The best camera is the one you have with you. And on that front, it's a good camera.
- anigbrowl 15y agoThe camera was one of the most impressive aspects of the device. For people who are into photography, that's a big step forward.
- potatolicious 15y agoI'm an amateur photog, and I'm excited about the camera: - backlit sensor = better low-light pictures, with dramatically less noise - faster lens, hopefully with better clarity (less haziness that's characteristic of phone cameras)... but we'll see how well it actually works out - and most importantly, fast. I know I hate using my phone's camera since by the time I pull it out and the phone lets me take my first picture, the moment's already passed. The whole "1 second to first picture, 0.5s between shots" I think is going to be HUGE. It's going to get people using their cell phones as cameras a lot more than than they are now.
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- jrnkntl 15y ago"Remind me to call my wife when I leave for work" - http://imgur.com/Y3Y3s http://imgur.com/Y3Y3s His wife, geofence setup. Blows my mind.
- vogonj 15y ago"my wife" is Almost Certainly* explicitly flagged in his address book, either as an alias or through a "relationship" field. he didn't show you that part. (the same is likely true of the geofence, though a location-aware algorithm could probably do a better job inferring where your work is than who your wife is.) * a term of art meaning "certainly"
- anigbrowl 15y agoI have no problem with that. This a great demonstration of what Apple does best - optimizing products to fit the needs of most users. Google already has the voice tech in place, but often fails to follow through on the usability front. A perennially annoying example for me is when I'm on the road somewhere, bring up Maps, and ask for directions from wherever-I-am to 'home'; it doesn't know where 'home' is. This is even more annoying, because there is a 'home' tag in Maps, but it doesn't get searched on. Likewise, there's no easy way to tell it that one person is my wife, another person is my business partner, a third person is my nemesis and so on. Apple are leveraging a culture of paying attention to detail to overcome technical handicaps, but it's hard to quantify or A/B test that, and most firms aren't comfortable with a budget line item called 'magic.'
- jarek 15y agoTo add to the frustration, Google knows where "home" is for me, even without me telling - Latitude inferred it. Can't ask Google Mobile Maps for directions to home, though.
- saurik 15y agoNote: if you are nocturnal and work at an office, Google will frequently decide your office is "home" and your apartment is "work".
- revscat 15y agoIf Siri works as advertised, that's... pretty cool.
- bemmu 15y agoExtremely skeptical. Perhaps if you speak clearly (sometimes repeating yourself), have a perfect accent and know exactly which phrases it understands.
- vogonj 15y agoeducated guesses: a) Siri won't work at all, or will degrade to something like Voice Control, if the server is unreachable or you're out of coverage; b) all of your dynamic data (address book, calendar, etc.) needs to be synced to iCloud for Siri to see it; c) third-party extensibility won't be available until iOS 6+.
- ceejayoz 15y agoYeah. I remember the Wolfram Alpha video demo - it looked amazing and natural, but when you got to use the real thing 95% of your queries didn't work at all.
- thought_alarm 15y ago"Siri, take a memo: Beat up Martin." Siri: Eat up Martha.
- astrodust 15y agoThe Newton experience all over again!
- evgen 15y agoNo iPhone 5! Some people are seriously losing on their announcement bets.
- kahawe 15y agoMuch worse, AAPL is going to take a big plunge - no matter how awesome and flashy the 4S features are. After the HUGE pre-event hype and blabla, everyone is only going to take "What, NO iPhone 5????" away from this, sadly.
- kls 15y agoUnfortunately, I have to agree, I am a 3GS owner and was waiting for the 5. The thing that I keep thinking is with this being the first big announcement since Steve left the company they really needed to show the world that they where going to keep hitting home runs. While the 4S is an nice upgrade, it is in no way the home-run I would have expected to show that they are no worse for wear without Steve. I was very surprised when I learned that it would not be a 4G phone, that would have at least been an easy win for getting people to make the upgrade decision. My wife picked up an Atrix almost a year ago and it was 4G. I know the coverage is still growing and there are areas that do not have it, but it is not like 4G is not standard equipment on the higher end Android phones. To me that was the biggest miss.
- evandena 15y agoMy gut says Sprint will announce the iPhone 5 soon.
- jfb 15y agoDoes anybody know if the GSM concept of unlocked has an analog in CDMA? IOW, if I buy my new 4S factory unlocked, can I use it on Verizon OR Sprint? I'm assuming yes, because it really looks like a single SKU, but I don't know.
- ben1040 15y agohttp://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone/iphone4/about_unlocked?mco=MjU5MTk4Nzc http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iph... (this is the text of a popup window on the unlocked iPhone page). The unlocked iPhone 4 or iPhone 4S will not work with CDMA-based carriers such as Verizon Wireless or Sprint. Sounds like that's a no-go for the 4S. Which sucks because my wife wants to replace her Android phone, but we're not upgrade eligible from Verizon yet. So that means I'm going to have to pay same price as the unlocked phone, but it's going to have the GSM side locked out if I ever want to sell it.
- jfb 15y agohttp://www.apple.com/iphone/compare-iphones/ http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare-iphones/ Footnote 2: CDMA available only if iPhone 4S is sold and activated for use on a CDMA network. Oh well.
- scott_s 15y agoIs Siri specific to iPhone 4S, or will it be a part of iOS 5? It sounded like it is only a part of iPhone 4S, but it seems like it's all software. Perhaps the iPhone 4 isn't powerful enough to do the voice recognition seamlessly?
- doctoboggan 15y agoOne of the live blogs I was following (don't remember which, sorry) confirmed that Siri would be iPhone 4S only.
- potatolicious 15y agoFrom what I hear the A5 in the 4S has some hardware components not available before - including a hardware DSP and image processor. That's what's powering Siri and the newfangled fast-camera features.
- ashbrahma 15y agoNo iPhone 5..Bummer!
- paraschopra 15y agoAnyone else disappointed with the announcement? Looks like a pretty standard upgrade.
- FilterJoe 15y agoThis upgrade reminds me of the upgrade from the Blackberry 9700 to the Blackberry 9780. In both cases: camera is considerably improved, processor and/or memory modestly improved, more interface eye (or ear) candy. It's no wonder that many people seem to be disappointed, given all the associated hype. The iPhone 4 seemed like a huge step up from prior models to me thanks to a 326 PPI display, a much faster processor, and a variety of other reasons. I guess even Apple acknowledges this given the naming convention of going from 4 to 4s. Not enough of a change to warrant iPhone 5.
- danilocampos 15y agoIt's odd you reach to Blackberry, here. This is just like the iPhone 3G > iPhone 3GS transition. Doing a new enclosure every year would be pretty taxing, so they take a year off. Incremental hardware improvements meanwhile. The funny bit is they barely needed to do this much — iPhone 4 was still selling steadily.
- FilterJoe 15y agoI own a Blackberry 9700 which was a nice phone when it came out but have been underwhelmed by the 9780 and in some ways even the 9900 (no autofocus camera, no UMA). That's why it's the first thing I thought of. I think I would prefer an iPhone if it were on T-mobile or if not that, at least the option to buy an unlocked iPhone at a reasonable price that worked at reasonable speed on T-mobile. Not so with today's announcements. An iPhone 3G can be purchased unlocked for $375, or an iPhone 4 for $549 but both are very slow on T-mobile at EDGE data speeds. An exciting announcement for me personally would not have been a new enclosure, but rather the ability to run on T-mobile at fast speeds, all at a reasonable price. Wishful thinking, I guess.
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- lambada 15y agoNo hardware changes for the iPod touch? Surprising, I thought that they'd take the opportunity to unify the iPod touch and iPhone launch cycles. Especially given the iPod nano update that was announced here. Perhaps it's a sign that Apple are moving iOS devices generally to an 18 month cycle?
- Jun8 15y agoOn a tangent: I miss Steve! These guys may be good but from the photos here most seem to be reading from a prompter screen and they just don't seem to have the look-into-your-eyes "believe me, this is the greatest thing ever" stare that Steve Jobs could do. Also, the black turtleneck may be untouchable, but rumpled blue shirt? Doesn't that shout blue collar corporate manager?
- duck 15y agoSeems like apple.com is down hard: Access Denied You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/ http://www.apple.com/ on this server. Reference #18.cc896783.1317755134.6ee996bd Edit: That only lasted a minute... it is back up.
- biot 15y agoI'm still getting that. Somewhere, a sysadmin has had better days.
- a235 15y agoapple releases their iphones every year, but sales them with a 2year contract. Hmm, it seems like they are forcing you to use outdated hardware.
- drieddust 15y agoI am just wondering what the fuck has happened to Microsoft.Seems like apple picked kinect and ran with it. Gates must be very restless today.
- duskwuff 15y agoKinect? I am confused. I didn't see anything even vaguely related to Kinect in this keynote. Also, Gates hasn't been working at Microsoft full-time since 2008.
- drieddust 15y agokinect was the one of the first device to sucessfully use natural language processing for controllerless entertainment which already works pretty well in the context but MS never thought of probably extending and integrating the tech with other products. http://digitizor.com/2011/06/17/microsoft-kinect-sdk-windows/ http://digitizor.com/2011/06/17/microsoft-kinect-sdk-windows... Strong point of MS was integration of different technologies but ever since Gates stopped taking interest in MS they have lost it. Now they have uncapitalized half assed implementation of technology laying around in silos. Note: I am well aware of when Gates stopped working with MS. Even before stopping to work, he stopped taking interest in MS's future vision atleast years before that.
- vogonj 15y agohttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/use-speech-on-my-phone.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics... and Kinect voice commands are of equal sophistication.
- drieddust 15y agoExactly but seems like crowd here is completely oblivious to anything non Apple. Post Gates Microsoft have just lost it.
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- gfodor 15y agoFor all you devs here, the GM seed dropped on the iOS dev center today.
- SODaniel 15y agoClearly the most 'non event' keynote from Apple in the last few years.