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Good, I hope they tear through this data-mining-gold-rush and set us back 1000 years, and I hope all the wantrepreneurs trying to exploit all of us with this da

by tomc1985 5y ago

Good, I hope they tear through this data-mining-gold-rush and set us back 1000 years, and I hope all the wantrepreneurs trying to exploit all of us with this data bullshit end up homeless and poor. I am not a data point, I do not want to be a data point, and I do not want products and services to interact with me as if I was. We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs. Not AI.

andreilys 5y ago
We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs. Depends, I would prefer reco Algos be open source and I can plug in different ones. Trying to make sense of the mass of data without a personalized recommendation engine is a fools errand.
- tenebrisalietum 5y ago
  all we need is grep for audio and video and I'm good.
  - prometheus76 5y ago
    Related: there are a few channels on youtube that I archive locally, and I always grab the subtitles when I do. I throw them all into a database that I can run queries against if I'm trying to remember which video something was said in. It's not a direct grep of the video, but pretty close!
- hi_im_miles 5y ago
  We basically need a curation protocol.
  - yummypaint 5y ago
    This is the field of library science
cryptonector 5y ago
> I am not a data point, I do not want to be a data point, ... <insert obligatory The Prisoner reference> I am not a number! I am a free man! I will not make any deals with you. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own!
PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago
> We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs. Not AI. 1. I think is far from established, and if anything the accumulating evidence shows the opposite (though I do hate the term AI when used like this) 2. The issue (for me, at least) is not "AI" replacing human equivalents (though in some parts of life, this is a huge issue), but rather the ease to which the AI's actual purpose and success metrics can be different from the claims made about it by its owner-operators. It's not that this can't happen with human beings too - financial advisers who are actually lining their own pockets rather than providing you with the best advice for you. But it is much easier to hide nefarious intent inside an algorithm, and harder to discover it without access to source code (and non-trivial even then).
BurningFrog 5y ago
If AI is inferior, there is no need to ban it. Pick a side!
- sodkmfkwegw 5y ago
  That's the same argument as : If nuclear weapons are superior to all weapons, no need to ban them!!
  - fallingknife 5y ago
    It's literally the opposite argument
m463 5y ago
> We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs You speak as though advertising was for you. The data being collected about you is used to sell you to advertisers, and your data to 3rd parties. you see advertisements not because you are interested in a product, but because the seller of the product is interested in one of your characteristics (like your income, sex, weight, religious affiliation, price insensitivity, poor decision making skills, etc...)
- tomc1985 5y ago
  The value-adds I wrote above are what this data economy is being sold to us as. Where are the consumer-visible benefits of AI? Your "curated" "exclusive" (gag) recommendations "just for you" on Spotify or Netflix. "Products you might like" on Amazon. Etc etc etc
listenallyall 5y ago
Should we not have counted Covid deaths or cases because those individuals also didn't want to be a data point?
- andrewjl 5y ago
  Who's making money directly from those figures?

andreilys 5y ago

We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs. Depends, I would prefer reco Algos be open source and I can plug in different ones. Trying to make sense of the mass of data without a personalized recommendation engine is a fools errand.

tenebrisalietum 5y ago
all we need is grep for audio and video and I'm good.
- prometheus76 5y ago
  Related: there are a few channels on youtube that I archive locally, and I always grab the subtitles when I do. I throw them all into a database that I can run queries against if I'm trying to remember which video something was said in. It's not a direct grep of the video, but pretty close!
hi_im_miles 5y ago
We basically need a curation protocol.
- yummypaint 5y ago
  This is the field of library science

cryptonector 5y ago

> I am not a data point, I do not want to be a data point, ... <insert obligatory The Prisoner reference> I am not a number! I am a free man! I will not make any deals with you. I've resigned. I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own!

PaulDavisThe1st 5y ago

> We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs. Not AI. 1. I think is far from established, and if anything the accumulating evidence shows the opposite (though I do hate the term AI when used like this) 2. The issue (for me, at least) is not "AI" replacing human equivalents (though in some parts of life, this is a huge issue), but rather the ease to which the AI's actual purpose and success metrics can be different from the claims made about it by its owner-operators. It's not that this can't happen with human beings too - financial advisers who are actually lining their own pockets rather than providing you with the best advice for you. But it is much easier to hide nefarious intent inside an algorithm, and harder to discover it without access to source code (and non-trivial even then).

BurningFrog 5y ago

If AI is inferior, there is no need to ban it. Pick a side!

sodkmfkwegw 5y ago
That's the same argument as : If nuclear weapons are superior to all weapons, no need to ban them!!
- fallingknife 5y ago
  It's literally the opposite argument

m463 5y ago

> We humans are superior at curation, discovery, and anticipating our needs You speak as though advertising was for you. The data being collected about you is used to sell you to advertisers, and your data to 3rd parties. you see advertisements not because you are interested in a product, but because the seller of the product is interested in one of your characteristics (like your income, sex, weight, religious affiliation, price insensitivity, poor decision making skills, etc...)

tomc1985 5y ago
The value-adds I wrote above are what this data economy is being sold to us as. Where are the consumer-visible benefits of AI? Your "curated" "exclusive" (gag) recommendations "just for you" on Spotify or Netflix. "Products you might like" on Amazon. Etc etc etc

listenallyall 5y ago

Should we not have counted Covid deaths or cases because those individuals also didn't want to be a data point?

andrewjl 5y ago
Who's making money directly from those figures?