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Exactly my thoughts. My conclusion was that the idea of cause and effect is something that only applies inside our universe, and not in the system our universe

Exactly my thoughts. My conclusion was that the idea of cause and effect is something that only applies inside our universe, and not in the system our universe is embedded in (whatever that is). In other words, to us time is a basic feature of existence, while on some most basic level it's not. That's why existence itself seems to counteract our most basic intuitions.

caeril 5y ago
> time is a basic feature of existence, while on some most basic level it's not I've come to two conclusions, only one of which is correct: 1. We are in a continuous universe, and time is a human construct. The only thing that actually exists is force interaction and momentum/velocity. Time is merely an emergent property of these things, and one that we use to measure, as humans. God may or may not exist. 2. We are in a discrete simulation, and time, specifically the Planck Time, is derived from the clock frequency of the computing substrate. God exists, or some form of god, because a simulation implies the existence of a Simulator. Currently leaning to option 2, but who knows?
- WithinReason 5y ago
  In both of your described scenarios time would still exist (because cause and effect would still exist), they are just different abstractions. When I say "time doesn't exist outside our universe" I don't mean it's an illusion, or that it's something else that we think. I mean it literally. On some most basic level outside our universe there's nothing that could be construed as time, so there's no cause end effect.
- throw0101a 5y ago
  > The only thing that actually exists is force interaction and momentum/velocity. Why do those things exists at all? And not 'why did they start in the first place', but rather why don't they stop existing? What causes them to keep going? > God exists, or some form of god, because a simulation implies the existence of a Simulator. That doesn't answer anything, it just moves it to another layer of the stack: what is running the simulation?

caeril 5y ago

> time is a basic feature of existence, while on some most basic level it's not I've come to two conclusions, only one of which is correct: 1. We are in a continuous universe, and time is a human construct. The only thing that actually exists is force interaction and momentum/velocity. Time is merely an emergent property of these things, and one that we use to measure, as humans. God may or may not exist. 2. We are in a discrete simulation, and time, specifically the Planck Time, is derived from the clock frequency of the computing substrate. God exists, or some form of god, because a simulation implies the existence of a Simulator. Currently leaning to option 2, but who knows?

WithinReason 5y ago
In both of your described scenarios time would still exist (because cause and effect would still exist), they are just different abstractions. When I say "time doesn't exist outside our universe" I don't mean it's an illusion, or that it's something else that we think. I mean it literally. On some most basic level outside our universe there's nothing that could be construed as time, so there's no cause end effect.
throw0101a 5y ago
> The only thing that actually exists is force interaction and momentum/velocity. Why do those things exists at all? And not 'why did they start in the first place', but rather why don't they stop existing? What causes them to keep going? > God exists, or some form of god, because a simulation implies the existence of a Simulator. That doesn't answer anything, it just moves it to another layer of the stack: what is running the simulation?