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A lot of comments here about racism against Muslim refugees and the lack of racism against Ukrainian refugees. We are only three weeks into this war and refuge

A lot of comments here about racism against Muslim refugees and the lack of racism against Ukrainian refugees. We are only three weeks into this war and refugee crisis. The far-right here in Western Europe have not yet had time to come up with reasons to hate Ukrainian refugees. The far-right is actually busy defending Putin's invasion and spreading pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian propaganda. It is only a question of time before this anti-Ukrainian propaganda targets Ukrainian refugees. Another thing is that there were plenty of similar job boards for Syrian refugees in Denmark and Germany. Syrian refugees with dev skills were welcomed with open arms by our IT industry.

cute_boi 5y ago
Can you justify your last statement as it looks spurious to me?
rich_sasha 5y ago
That's not entirely true. Polish Far Right has been fired up against the Ukrainians for some time (I mean, it's always just a matter of time and foreignness), just aren't getting any traction. The key sticking point, and at peacetime possibly quite serious, is the Volhynia massacre [1]. I won't go into details, and context is very important as it wasn't unprovoked, but it was a terrible massacre of Poles by Ukrainians in 1940s, and its key perpetrators are revered as national heroes in Ukraine. And yet, any attempts to bring this up in recent debate are immediately shot down by the wider public. It's just not catching on. It's not even a new subject, I think most people in Poland who watch the news know at least the headline facts about it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...
- krageon 5y ago
  > context is very important as it wasn't unprovoked No matter how provoked ethnic cleansing is never a good response.
  - rich_sasha 5y ago
    Indeed. My point, the Polish side had applied genocide in the past, and bloody discriminatory policies not much earlier. Plus, it was in Nazi-occupied, well, present-day Western Ukraine, and the Nazis were supportive of this. It's non-obvious how to judge this kind of events.
    - slaw 5y ago
      Your link says it was German-occupied not Nazi-occupied.
      - agapon 5y ago
        What are you trying to say?
        slaw 5y ago
        I am curious why poster replaced Germany with Nazi.
        Etheryte 5y ago
        At the time of the event, the area was occupied by Nazi Germany [0]. Whether you call it Nazi-occupied, German-occupied, or Nazi-German-occupied doesn't really make any kind of a difference here in my opinion. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%80%931945) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%...
        slaw 5y ago
        At the time of the event, area was occupied by Germany, official name was Deutsches Reich/Drittes Reich. See any document from WWII. "Nazi Germany" name was invented in '80. Combatants of WWII never heard anyone calling Germans as Nazis. Countries were not invaded by people from Nazi country speaking Nazi language.
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cute_boi 5y ago

Can you justify your last statement as it looks spurious to me?

rich_sasha 5y ago

That's not entirely true. Polish Far Right has been fired up against the Ukrainians for some time (I mean, it's always just a matter of time and foreignness), just aren't getting any traction. The key sticking point, and at peacetime possibly quite serious, is the Volhynia massacre [1]. I won't go into details, and context is very important as it wasn't unprovoked, but it was a terrible massacre of Poles by Ukrainians in 1940s, and its key perpetrators are revered as national heroes in Ukraine. And yet, any attempts to bring this up in recent debate are immediately shot down by the wider public. It's just not catching on. It's not even a new subject, I think most people in Poland who watch the news know at least the headline facts about it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia...

krageon 5y ago
> context is very important as it wasn't unprovoked No matter how provoked ethnic cleansing is never a good response.
- rich_sasha 5y ago
  Indeed. My point, the Polish side had applied genocide in the past, and bloody discriminatory policies not much earlier. Plus, it was in Nazi-occupied, well, present-day Western Ukraine, and the Nazis were supportive of this. It's non-obvious how to judge this kind of events.
  - slaw 5y ago
    Your link says it was German-occupied not Nazi-occupied.
    - agapon 5y ago
      What are you trying to say?
      - slaw 5y ago
        I am curious why poster replaced Germany with Nazi.
        Etheryte 5y ago
        At the time of the event, the area was occupied by Nazi Germany [0]. Whether you call it Nazi-occupied, German-occupied, or Nazi-German-occupied doesn't really make any kind of a difference here in my opinion. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%80%931945) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%...
        slaw 5y ago
        At the time of the event, area was occupied by Germany, official name was Deutsches Reich/Drittes Reich. See any document from WWII. "Nazi Germany" name was invented in '80. Combatants of WWII never heard anyone calling Germans as Nazis. Countries were not invaded by people from Nazi country speaking Nazi language.

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