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I think this is kind of a conflict between those who are morning people and those who aren't. Many morning people would prefer to have that sunlight in the morn
by snek_case 5y ago
I think this is kind of a conflict between those who are morning people and those who aren't. Many morning people would prefer to have that sunlight in the morning. I'm not at all a morning person and I'd rather have that sunlight after work when I can actually benefit from it.
- af16090 5y agoSpeak for yourself, I'm a night owl and I find it much harder to wake up in the morning when it's dark outside. Permanent DST would only make this worse in the winter.
- bfung 5y agoSpeak for yourself, I’m also a night owl and I wake up when my alarm wakes me up. Then I read on my phone which shines enough glow on me that I can’t get back to sleep. </sarcasm> don’t care about it one way or other. Glad that junior devs in the future will have less time related bugs in their code.
- asdff 5y agoGet a timer for your lamp.
- oceanghost 5y agoI'm the same way. If you haven't looked into it, you might want a "sunrise clock" of about 10,000lux if possible. This assumes you don't have a partner who would be bothered by it :-)
- stjohnswarts 5y agoI'm a night owl as well but I don't care if it's light or dark out when I get up but driving home in darkness and waking up in darkness is depressing as hell. I like a little sunlight after work to do things, mow the lawn, do some errands, take a walk, etc.
- shrimp_emoji 5y agoNah, waking up in darkness is cool. It's like the day isn't ready to get up yet, just like me. And driving in darkness is cool. I like all the pretty lights.
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- lxgr 5y agoThere's a third faction: People who believe that it should be possible for a society to agree on things just starting an hour earlier (or later) where it makes sense, all without literally touching a single clock. Introducing a (permanent, i.e. unlike DST) offset to solar time just seems like a ridiculous solution to any real or perceived problem.
- thomasahle 5y ago> it should be possible for a society to agree on things just starting an hour earlier How would that ever work? I can't think of a single thing requiring near that level of coordination that we are able to do. Automatically changing peoples closed seems infinitely easier. I understand some people don't like it, but don't pretend there is another way to move everything around. People are barely willing to do it as is.
- lxgr 5y agoWhy does it have to be a centrally coordinated shift? This is a decision that can be done in a decentralized way. Outdoor venues already have seasonally shifting time tables. Schools in some places have successfully shifted from starting at 8:00 to 7:30 or 8:30. Shops adjust their opening hours all the time as well.
- cameldrv 5y agoBecause actions in society have to be coordinated and done in a certain order. What happens when suddenly your kids school starts an hour later but you still have to be at work at the same time? Many many things are based on routines at a set time each day that people plan for. If there’s going to be a seasonal change, it needs to be coordinated to not cause massive inconvenience. That’s what DST does.
- hamandcheese 5y agoThe argument is basically "if the state-sponsored babysitters change their hours partway through the year it will be a massive headache for parents". But if such babysitting is so crucial to a functioning society, surely society can become a bit less rigid to accommodate it?
- mfer 5y agoThere’s something to be said for the bodies circadian rhythm with the sun and the time their job or school dictates they need to be there
- chrisan 5y agoI am a morning person, I'm up at 430-5am every day, and I welcome this change 100% I take my dogs for a walk and go for a jog after in the dark and I love it. I want as much sun for after work/social activities as possible. I also love coding in the morning and can't stand afternoon glare. This will allow me more time with windows open before the afternoon glare creeps in (I realize this is house dependent, but still)
- eru 5y agoHow will this allow you to do anything you couldn't do before? It's not like Big Clock keeps you in bed, does it? Does your boss force you to sit in the office until a specific time, even if you started an hour or two earlier? (Small anecdote: in my first job one of my teammates came in at 5am and left about 2pm. I just thought he's a morning person. But when I asked, he admitted that he wasn't one at all; he just tried to avoid our new boss, because that guy was extremely chatty with him.)
- zepearl 5y ago> I'm not at all a morning person and I'd rather have that sunlight after work Same here - I'm a zombie on autopilot in the morning, and I usually start the day with the mindset of "let's see what kind of problems are waiting for me" (e.g. nasty compliance emails with the subject "ACTION REQUIRED!!!", processes that have crashed or are stuck since X hours, etc..) therefore I have anyway a permanent negative association with the first hours of the day independently if it's dark or sunny or rainy etc... . On the other hand usually by the end of the day I have stabilized the situation and if I'm lucky I can still go out and enjoy a little bit the sun(set), so the longer that lasts the better for me. I wonder if HN-people in general (doing mostly IT work?) tend to push working hours towards the evenings/nights and are therefore more in favour of daylight savings?
- ewhanley 5y agoI am 100% a morning person, but I’m at work inside in the morning. I’d prefer more daylight in the evening when I’m not staring at a screen at work (though I recognize some people start and end their workday later).
- Apofis 5y agoI run in the mornings and the change this past week made it ridiculous... I get up at 5:30 and get out for a run by 6:00 and it's not dawn until about 7 AM. I got really used to getting to the nearby beach right on time to see a beautiful sunrise before heading back. Hopefully, it'll pull back soon.
- exdsq 5y agoI can say with quite some certainty that it will!
- stjohnswarts 5y agoA third group who don't care, they just want it to stop, pick one and stick to it.
- Miner49er 5y agoI'm not a morning person because I struggle waking up when it's dark outside. So I'm against this because I'm not a morning person.