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That article doesn't say why it was a bad idea. Are we really rejecting this because it'll be dark at 7:35am? Sorry, but that's not even close to a compelling

That article doesn't say why it was a bad idea. Are we really rejecting this because it'll be dark at 7:35am? Sorry, but that's not even close to a compelling reason not to do this.

prakhar897 5y ago
Yes, it will be. Schools should adjust time according to the season. Time shouldn't adjust itself according to the school.
- twiddling 5y ago
  Most parents of school age children in the US are dual income. School times are tied to before and after school care to support the parents employment
  - prakhar897 5y ago
    When daylight savings time is implemented, SCHOOLS, EMPLOYERS AND ALL OTHER COMMERCE times are changed. Thus, When it is removed, all places will change time accordingly.
nemo44x 5y ago
It absolutely is. And the Sun won't come up until 8:30AM. No one wants their first couple hours of the day to be darkness. Secondly, it's more dangerous for kids walking to school. And lastly we use more energy since a larger part of our day is lived in the darkness for most people.
- yupper32 5y ago
  > No one wants their first couple hours of the day to be darkness. Why? What are you using the first couple hours of your day for except to get ready for work? Complete waste to do that in the daylight. > Secondly, it's more dangerous for kids walking to school. We should be pushing back school starting times anyway. If they're old enough to walk to school, then they don't need their parents to wait for them to leave before going to work, so that typical argument goes out the window. > And lastly we use more energy since a larger part of our day is lived in the darkness for most people. A weak argument IMO. Studies are not conclusive on the actual savings, and most of the ones that are out there say they save minimal energy. Besides, I think the mental health benefits of having more useful hours in the evening are worth the extra 0.5-1% energy usage.
  - nemo44x 5y ago
    You have to understand that most people start work at 8 and many start earlier. For this majority that means they are on the road by 7:30 - which is rush hour. This means they are probably awake by 6:30 or earlier in some cases. So they already begin in the dark. Now imagine that going for even more time, until 8:30? At least this way you get some Sunlight before you're at work and some when you're done.
    - yupper32 5y ago
      I don't understand. If I'm at work, why would I care if it's light out or not? I'm not using that light for anything useful.
      - mattw2121 5y ago
        There are people in the world who do not work inside.
        yupper32 5y ago
        The jobs I've worked outside we started the day in the dark often times (construction, landscaping). What jobs have you worked that required perfect natural lighting the entire time? I'm assuming it's a decent minority of jobs.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      So you’re saying you’re fine with them leaving work in the evening in the dark, because that’s the trade-off. Not to mention your post-work leisure time will be in darkness.
    - jjav 5y ago
      You're going to work or at work, so it's irrelevant whether it's sunny outside or not. That hour of sun sitting in morning traffic is completely wasted. Much better to have the hour of sun after work to do things outside.
    - 5y ago
- throwaway48375 5y ago
  You don't have to change the clock to change when you wake up.
dilap 5y ago
I don't know, it can definitely really suck having to wake up in the dark. Waking up to natural sunlight is the way. Of course the real problem is there's just not enough light in the winter. Not much we can do about that. :-)
- yupper32 5y ago
  It sucks more not being able to do any outdoor physical activity after work for much of the year.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - bonzini 5y ago
    Do you finish work before 5:45pm? The sun would set earlier than that until mid January in NY, and until mid February in SF. And end-of-work would be the time you start outdoor activity, not finish it, so in practice it would be practical to do outdoor activity in the afternoon for 1 month or less.
- thehappypm 5y ago
  What time do you wake up? In Boston (Northernmost major metro on East Coast) the new latest sunrise would be at 8:13am, with a substantial period of twilight before then. Night will officially end at 6:32am, then astronomical twilight ends at 7:06, then officially sunrise at 8:13am. Point is you’re waking up during the dawn even if you’re waking up at 6:30 to get the kids to school.
  - collegeburner 5y ago
    Lots of people wake up well before then to go lift/exercise. And looking at obesity rates in America, we could stand to change time to better suit that habit. Some of us also like sitting on our porch with a newspaper and a cup of coffee and some eggs to watch the sun come up.
    - 5y ago
collegeburner 5y ago
Are we really doing this because it'll be light at 7:35pm? Sorry, but that's not even close to a compelling reason to do this. See how easy it is? I can dismiss others' preferences just as easy. Waking up when it's dark out isn't good for people. We should rise with the sun, more or less, and "time" should change to accommodate that.

That article doesn't say why it was a bad idea. Are we really rejecting this because it'll be dark at 7:35am? Sorry, but that's not even close to a compelling reason not to do this.

prakhar897 5y ago

Yes, it will be. Schools should adjust time according to the season. Time shouldn't adjust itself according to the school.

twiddling 5y ago
Most parents of school age children in the US are dual income. School times are tied to before and after school care to support the parents employment
- prakhar897 5y ago
  When daylight savings time is implemented, SCHOOLS, EMPLOYERS AND ALL OTHER COMMERCE times are changed. Thus, When it is removed, all places will change time accordingly.

nemo44x 5y ago

It absolutely is. And the Sun won't come up until 8:30AM. No one wants their first couple hours of the day to be darkness. Secondly, it's more dangerous for kids walking to school. And lastly we use more energy since a larger part of our day is lived in the darkness for most people.

yupper32 5y ago
> No one wants their first couple hours of the day to be darkness. Why? What are you using the first couple hours of your day for except to get ready for work? Complete waste to do that in the daylight. > Secondly, it's more dangerous for kids walking to school. We should be pushing back school starting times anyway. If they're old enough to walk to school, then they don't need their parents to wait for them to leave before going to work, so that typical argument goes out the window. > And lastly we use more energy since a larger part of our day is lived in the darkness for most people. A weak argument IMO. Studies are not conclusive on the actual savings, and most of the ones that are out there say they save minimal energy. Besides, I think the mental health benefits of having more useful hours in the evening are worth the extra 0.5-1% energy usage.
- nemo44x 5y ago
  You have to understand that most people start work at 8 and many start earlier. For this majority that means they are on the road by 7:30 - which is rush hour. This means they are probably awake by 6:30 or earlier in some cases. So they already begin in the dark. Now imagine that going for even more time, until 8:30? At least this way you get some Sunlight before you're at work and some when you're done.
  - yupper32 5y ago
    I don't understand. If I'm at work, why would I care if it's light out or not? I'm not using that light for anything useful.
    - mattw2121 5y ago
      There are people in the world who do not work inside.
      - yupper32 5y ago
        The jobs I've worked outside we started the day in the dark often times (construction, landscaping). What jobs have you worked that required perfect natural lighting the entire time? I'm assuming it's a decent minority of jobs.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    So you’re saying you’re fine with them leaving work in the evening in the dark, because that’s the trade-off. Not to mention your post-work leisure time will be in darkness.
  - jjav 5y ago
    You're going to work or at work, so it's irrelevant whether it's sunny outside or not. That hour of sun sitting in morning traffic is completely wasted. Much better to have the hour of sun after work to do things outside.
  - 5y ago
throwaway48375 5y ago
You don't have to change the clock to change when you wake up.

dilap 5y ago

I don't know, it can definitely really suck having to wake up in the dark. Waking up to natural sunlight is the way. Of course the real problem is there's just not enough light in the winter. Not much we can do about that. :-)

yupper32 5y ago
It sucks more not being able to do any outdoor physical activity after work for much of the year.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- bonzini 5y ago
  Do you finish work before 5:45pm? The sun would set earlier than that until mid January in NY, and until mid February in SF. And end-of-work would be the time you start outdoor activity, not finish it, so in practice it would be practical to do outdoor activity in the afternoon for 1 month or less.
thehappypm 5y ago
What time do you wake up? In Boston (Northernmost major metro on East Coast) the new latest sunrise would be at 8:13am, with a substantial period of twilight before then. Night will officially end at 6:32am, then astronomical twilight ends at 7:06, then officially sunrise at 8:13am. Point is you’re waking up during the dawn even if you’re waking up at 6:30 to get the kids to school.
- collegeburner 5y ago
  Lots of people wake up well before then to go lift/exercise. And looking at obesity rates in America, we could stand to change time to better suit that habit. Some of us also like sitting on our porch with a newspaper and a cup of coffee and some eggs to watch the sun come up.
  - 5y ago

collegeburner 5y ago

Are we really doing this because it'll be light at 7:35pm? Sorry, but that's not even close to a compelling reason to do this. See how easy it is? I can dismiss others' preferences just as easy. Waking up when it's dark out isn't good for people. We should rise with the sun, more or less, and "time" should change to accommodate that.