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Arguably, NATO airstrikes and paratroopers win, but if they haven't acted yet, they're not going to act, and what's more likely is the western countries are mor
by motohagiography 5y ago
Arguably, NATO airstrikes and paratroopers win, but if they haven't acted yet, they're not going to act, and what's more likely is the western countries are more likely to keep the conflict drawn out, as the invasion is going to go on anyway, so they might as well use it for their domestic news cycle narratives. Russia is tolerating the resistance because it doesn't cost very much and it draws out volunteers now who would be more difficult to manage as a long term insurgency under a new government.
The only reason anyone in the west without family there cares about Ukraine is because it's far. This war is a circus. It is an issue between Russia and Ukraine, and while everyone likes something to be concerned about, it's wasted, and worse, a distraction from borderline existential domestic policy issues.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoNATO is a defensive cause. I'd be very suprised if anything is going to be drawn out as soon as a missle can invoke article 5.
- RobertMiller 5y agoI think NATO would look the other way for a stray missile that could in any way be construed as an accident. Open war between NATO and Russia, weak as it is, could be disastrous for Europe, if not the whole world. It's much safer to ruin Russia by giving weapons to Ukraine while skirting around open conflict. It's a way of depleting Russian resources (manpower, military hardware, money, mindshare, etc) while keeping the possibility of nukes to a relative minimum.
- staticman2 5y agoI would expect a stray missile to be met with a proportionate response. You shoot a missile at us, we shoot a missile at you.
- aforwardslash 5y agoWars by proxy only work when they arent on your backyard. What NATO seems to be doing is taking "military time" to prepare and reinforce their ranks, while ukrania depletes some russia's military resources. Meanwhile winter is almost over, and Moscow would be a nice tank ride from ukraine, if NATO actually lacked the capability of turning Moscow into a parking lot from afar (they dont). But for things to get back to the way they used to be, either Russia changes the regime or Russia changes size. It will happen one way or the other.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoI think you should look up the definition of NATO and eg. compare GDP. Russia isn't a big dog on the global stage, it's trying to be a big bully against smaller countries though.
- hidudeurcool 5y ago
- RobertMiller 5y agoAs I see it, the most realistic "good" resolution is Russia choosing to cut their losses and pull out of Ukraine. But I fear that is less likely than a long drawn out war, as you say. I think NATO likely has an intention to bleed Russia to death in Ukraine, which might take months or years. This would doubtlessly cause incredible suffering in Ukraine for some time to come. I believe Ukrainians see that possibility too, but have still decided to fight. Who am I to tell them to surrender instead? Ukrainians decide the value of Ukraine's independence.