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I despise crypto, but telling an underfunded OSS project to abandon scarce funding for what is a relatively minor ideological reason definitely rubs me the wron

by esyir 5y ago

I despise crypto, but telling an underfunded OSS project to abandon scarce funding for what is a relatively minor ideological reason definitely rubs me the wrong way. Rather than demanding them to change, why not find a way to help secure them a source of less objectionable funding.

colesantiago 5y ago
I would want them to at least go to the Rust Foundation Grants Program [0] or perhaps the Mozilla Foundation grants program [1]. This isn't minor, Wikimedia [2] is also asking the same thing of their project and they shouldn't use or endorse these crypto tokens, same thing as Tor. [0] https://foundation.rust-lang.org/news/2021-12-09-news-rust-foundation-to-launch-community-grants-program/ https://foundation.rust-lang.org/news/2021-12-09-news-rust-f... [1] https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-fund/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-fund/ [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_ac...
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  > This isn't minor, Wikimedia [2] is also asking the same thing of their project and they shouldn't use or endorse these crypto tokens, same thing as Tor. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_ac... is a proposal with what looks like extremely divided voting; I'm not seeing where it was ratified? So Wikimedia is not asking that, someone suggested that Wikimedia should ask that.
  - colesantiago 5y ago
    So it isn't a minor open and shut case then as you said? Surely something minor should have been sorted quickly no? And most people actually support the motion to stop accepting them, despite the division it is the correct decision. I only hope that Tor does the same.
- loeg 5y ago
  Wikimedia is one of the most well-funded non-profits on the planet; they have largely unconstrained spending. They can easily be choosy about funding sources while other projects cannot afford to be.
  - colesantiago 5y ago
    I have already mentioned elsewhere in the thread alternative sources of grant funding they can use which are not an endorsement of the crypto space.
oefrha 5y ago
Is it underfunded? (Genuine question.) According to the 2020 fiscal report they received ~$4.5mm in donations and grants which isn’t too shabby. https://blog.torproject.org/transparency-openness-and-our-2019-and-2020-financials/ https://blog.torproject.org/transparency-openness-and-our-20...
- esyir 5y ago
  While funding is decent, you'd also want to compare to expenses, as well as reserves. The 2020 report did show an overall gain, but this has to be contrasted against the depletion of reserves in the previous year, not to mention the overall trend.

by esyir 5y ago

colesantiago 5y ago

I would want them to at least go to the Rust Foundation Grants Program [0] or perhaps the Mozilla Foundation grants program [1]. This isn't minor, Wikimedia [2] is also asking the same thing of their project and they shouldn't use or endorse these crypto tokens, same thing as Tor. [0] https://foundation.rust-lang.org/news/2021-12-09-news-rust-foundation-to-launch-community-grants-program/ https://foundation.rust-lang.org/news/2021-12-09-news-rust-f... [1] https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-fund/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/what-we-fund/ [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_ac...

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
> This isn't minor, Wikimedia [2] is also asking the same thing of their project and they shouldn't use or endorse these crypto tokens, same thing as Tor. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_ac... is a proposal with what looks like extremely divided voting; I'm not seeing where it was ratified? So Wikimedia is not asking that, someone suggested that Wikimedia should ask that.
- colesantiago 5y ago
  So it isn't a minor open and shut case then as you said? Surely something minor should have been sorted quickly no? And most people actually support the motion to stop accepting them, despite the division it is the correct decision. I only hope that Tor does the same.
loeg 5y ago
Wikimedia is one of the most well-funded non-profits on the planet; they have largely unconstrained spending. They can easily be choosy about funding sources while other projects cannot afford to be.
- colesantiago 5y ago
  I have already mentioned elsewhere in the thread alternative sources of grant funding they can use which are not an endorsement of the crypto space.

oefrha 5y ago

Is it underfunded? (Genuine question.) According to the 2020 fiscal report they received ~$4.5mm in donations and grants which isn’t too shabby. https://blog.torproject.org/transparency-openness-and-our-2019-and-2020-financials/ https://blog.torproject.org/transparency-openness-and-our-20...

esyir 5y ago
While funding is decent, you'd also want to compare to expenses, as well as reserves. The 2020 report did show an overall gain, but this has to be contrasted against the depletion of reserves in the previous year, not to mention the overall trend.