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Would it matter?

• michaelcampbell 5y ago
  To many, yes.
  • pjmlp 5y ago
    Do those same people also use SELinux?
    • michaelcampbell 5y ago
      Dunno, is that relevant? Are any among us completely devoid of any inconsistencies or hypocrisy?
      • pjmlp 5y ago
        Given it was developed by NSA, completely relevant.
        • edgyquant 5y ago
          But Tor wasn’t, so it’s a derail to begin with
          • dragonwriter 5y ago
            Tor was developed by the US Naval Research Laboratory to protect communications of the US intelligence community, so while it wasn't strictly developed by the NSA, if one considers products of the NSA contaminated by their connection to the US intelligence community, it's pretty hard not to see Tor as tainted in the same way.
    • yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
      Is that likely? People who don't trust things backed by the US gov't are unlikely to be fond of SELinux, but even beyond that, AppArmor is used in preference to SELinux by the Debian and SUSE families, which probably gives it a greater share of the Desktop Linux market (vs SELinux, mostly used by the Red Hat family) even without ideological/trust issues in play.
      • pjmlp 5y ago
        SELinux is turned on across all Android and ChromeOS devices.
        • yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
          I'm skeptical that there's much overlap between "people who seriously use TOR" and "people who use ChromeOS", but yeah Android is a fair point. (And I'll certainly grant that there are probably more Android devices out there than laptops/desktops running Debian derivatives.)
    • krageon 5y ago
      Of course not. SELinux is functionally unusable due to it's historical ties. Which is a real shame, because the network limiting (used to be, it's been a while since I looked) is very easy to use and quite good.
      • pjmlp 5y ago
        So unusable that millions of people use it without knowing on their Android and ChromeOS devices.
      • edgyquant 5y ago
        SELinux is not unusable, it’s open source anyway.
  • ggreg84 5y ago
    To many on the internet which was financed by DARPA? The irony is strong on this thread.
    • justinclift 5y ago
      Perhaps you're forgetting that although the NSA have at times historically been regarded as good guys, they've since been found to quietly backdoor crypto products (etc) to others detriment. That's a bit different from DARPA.
      • deleted 5y ago
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      • mburns 5y ago
        The NSA didn’t fund Tor, though. Tor was initially funded by the Naval Research Lab (which is broadly similar to DARPA), and from a quick google, has received funding grants from the NSF and Department of State.
• justinclift 5y ago
  Yes. Extra chance of backdoors. :/
  • freemint 5y ago
    Funding doesn't control code? It just controls what is being worked on.