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> who cares? He's still making a valid point that dependency management & build systems for C & derivatives are a shit show.

Zababa 5y ago
How many times this "valid point" has been made since the beginning of the year? Saying it more won't improve the situation.
rurban 5y ago
they are not. people who are using the wrong build system are a shit show instead. autotools is great, meson and bazel similary. but people quirking around with cmake alone, or conan or other toys cannot be helped much.
- hoseja 5y ago
  Are you trying to ignite a flamewar.
  - rurban 5y ago
    no, autotools critics just don't know what they are talking about.
- tetromino_ 5y ago
  > autotools is great I assume you are joking. Autotools is a slow-as-molasses system (running autoreconf could take half of your build's wall time!) designed for 1980s unix wars (with support for anything not resembling 1980s unix C programs being an awkward bolt-on), complete with an unusually hostile syntax and multiple levels of inefficient interpreters, all optimized to encourage cargo-cult copy-paste programming. It was barely tolerable at the turn of the century, when everyone used it for lack of a good alternative. For a while, its one saving grace was decent support for cross-compiling. But using it for a new project today is insane.
- shrimp_emoji 5y ago
  What's wrong with CMake? D:
hulitu 5y ago
Make was good for 30 years then they started to come with a new build system every couple a years. Now every language needs its own build system. What's wrong with KISS ?
- auxfil 5y ago
  You're assuming that it's simple, or that it has the desired features.
fxtentacle 5y ago
Bazel (from Google) und vcpkg (from Microsoft) are both pretty amazing in my opinion. In fact, I just built my own artifact server where I store vcpkg exports and remote Bazel dependencies. That way, statically linking in opencv is as easy as http_archive with a template BUILD file.

Zababa 5y ago

How many times this "valid point" has been made since the beginning of the year? Saying it more won't improve the situation.

rurban 5y ago

they are not. people who are using the wrong build system are a shit show instead. autotools is great, meson and bazel similary. but people quirking around with cmake alone, or conan or other toys cannot be helped much.

hoseja 5y ago
Are you trying to ignite a flamewar.
- rurban 5y ago
  no, autotools critics just don't know what they are talking about.
tetromino_ 5y ago
> autotools is great I assume you are joking. Autotools is a slow-as-molasses system (running autoreconf could take half of your build's wall time!) designed for 1980s unix wars (with support for anything not resembling 1980s unix C programs being an awkward bolt-on), complete with an unusually hostile syntax and multiple levels of inefficient interpreters, all optimized to encourage cargo-cult copy-paste programming. It was barely tolerable at the turn of the century, when everyone used it for lack of a good alternative. For a while, its one saving grace was decent support for cross-compiling. But using it for a new project today is insane.
shrimp_emoji 5y ago
What's wrong with CMake? D:

hulitu 5y ago

Make was good for 30 years then they started to come with a new build system every couple a years. Now every language needs its own build system. What's wrong with KISS ?

auxfil 5y ago
You're assuming that it's simple, or that it has the desired features.

fxtentacle 5y ago

Bazel (from Google) und vcpkg (from Microsoft) are both pretty amazing in my opinion. In fact, I just built my own artifact server where I store vcpkg exports and remote Bazel dependencies. That way, statically linking in opencv is as easy as http_archive with a template BUILD file.