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This is just a hater hatin, coming up with the worst ways to make web 3.0 look bad. An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and re

This is just a hater hatin, coming up with the worst ways to make web 3.0 look bad. An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and reduction of fake reviews. Much like how bitcoin itself cannot be counterfeited, utilization of the blockchain enables some guarantees in a digital world of endless copying. The only thing I got from it was that the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing to spend hours on end making an app to demonstrate why he's right.

can16358p 5y ago
Just with everything with potential revolutionary impact, it will be hated with harsh criticism. We're exactly at that period with web3: haters gonna hate and early adopters will be rewarded.
- Double_a_92 5y ago
  People don't just hate for the sake of hating. They see flaws and react to them... While some people just tell them not to worry about them because "they will be rewarded".
  - can16358p 5y ago
    You think I don't see the flaws? I've been seeing all the Ponzis, P&D groups, shitcoins/memecoins, inflated prices around NFTs for the sake of flipping, scam ICOs and rug pulls, yields and stakes and the unfulfillable promises, and most importantly environmental impact of PoW. Yet I still think benefits and the potential impact (which is not theoretical, just needing a bit more mass adoption to take off) greatly outweigh the negative sides.
    - usrbinbash 5y ago
      What benefits are those exactly?
      - can16358p 5y ago
        These: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30682731#30683423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30682731#30683423
        usrbinbash 5y ago
        But none of that requires a Blorkchain to do. Just because Blorkchains can solve a given problem, doesn't mean it's the best, or only solution. One could design a notetaking app using remote controlled combine-harvesters that mow the notes into prepared fields of wheat serving as storage media, and camera drones to read the information back. Doesn't mean it makes sense to do so.
        can16358p 5y ago
        I agree with overengineering part where people try to blockchain-ize everything for the sake of doing it (and raising money). On the other hand, I still believe my example about freedom is still a perfect use case of it and I don't know other ways of doing it.
        usrbinbash 5y ago
        > I still believe my example about freedom is still a perfect use case of it How exactly does the blorkchain or "web3" achive that? There still needs to be a host for the webapps through which it's accessed. There still need to be DNS entries. The people acessing it are still doing so via ISPs. All these are gatekeepers, which an authoritarian regime has control over. Gatekeepers don't go away just because the service decides to use a distributed ledger.
        can16358p 5y ago
        While in theory authorities could control everything obviously, if there are more real world apps that majority of the world starts using on those platforms, and more layers of protection something comparable to Tor, it will be inconvenient for state actors to block it all and they'll need to give up at some point or otherwise if they try to control they either lag behind by blocking it all or need to consume enormous resources to track people. Oh BTW if you want people to take your comments more seriously you can stop deliberately misspelling names of technologies.
- cuteboy19 5y ago
  > haters gonna hate This is a thought terminating idea, as much as I like TS. There is a good reason why people dislike it. Maybe consider understanding their points
  - can16358p 5y ago
    Well I wrote it all after seeing all the "good reason"s of people disliking it. I've been into crypto for almost 9 years and saw good and the bad sides of it, and result: I see no real reason for hating crypto other than missing the boat. Criticizing is okay, there's a lot to criticize about crypto. But I see a rush of hatestorm on crypto everyday here on HN which I frankly think pointless.
AlchemistCamp 5y ago
Not only that but they're unaware that "Web 3.0" was the semantic web, envisioned by Tim Berners-Lee over a decade ago. The blockchain web is "web3", named after the library in Ethereum. Web 3.0 and web3 are very different ideas.
- laerus 5y ago
  Tim Berners-Lee ?
  - AlchemistCamp 5y ago
    Yes, fixed it. Thank you.
- Netcob 5y ago
  I'm looking forward to reading this exact text a million times.
  - ohgodplsno 5y ago
    Copypastas are getting less funny now that it's cryptobros posting them :(
    - AlchemistCamp 5y ago
      I didn't copypasta anything and have never been remotely close to a "bro" for my entire life. I'm a language and literature-loving school teacher, turned programmer. I followed O'Reilly's Web 2.0 with great interest as a user of Flickr and Delicio.us, read about but didn't really get the whole Web 3.0 semantic web stuff, later learned how to program and much later still, learned about web3. If anything, it's my former language teacher side leading me to be irked by the Web 3.0 / web3 confusion. Honestly, your comment is needlessly hostile and offensive.
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usrbinbash 5y ago
> An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and reduction of fake reviews. How? It just costs money now. Entities that want to spam and fake reviews, usually have money. In fact, the more money someone is willing to throw at it, the more reviews they get to post. In fact, with enough resources, genuine reviews (which I would be reluctant to give as a user, as they cost additional money) can be comlpetely drowned out in this scenario.
YetAnotherNick 5y ago
If you don't want anything to be copied you just not copy it, no need to create all the complicated stuff. eg I can't copy my money in my bank even though it is a digital number.
- RedBeetDeadpool 5y ago
  For the record, you're not the one doing the copying of the money in your bank.
ohgodplsno 5y ago
>the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing to spend hours on end making an app to demonstrate why he's right. To be fair, hating crypto bros is a really good way of life. Mostly because crypto bros have never once in their life been right.
- mcintyre1994 5y ago
  I guess other than when they bought cryptocurrency as a speculative investment and outperformed probably almost every investment in history. I don't think buying crypto as a speculative investment is very exciting, but saying the people doing that have never been right isn't very convincing.
chmod775 5y ago
Would you have paid to write this comment? Would someone who has a monetary incentive to comment pay to do so?
- WinstonSmith84 5y ago
  Depends on the price. $10-$50 for a standard eth tx surely not. But say the equivalent of ~$0.01, probably yes. This might be enough to disincentive _some_ (a lot of?) spamming (unfortunately it's all theory as no network works like this yet)
  - kreeben 5y ago
    Can poor people also participate in the web 3.0? Or is it only for people with extra cash?
    - krageon 5y ago
      Gating using money inevitably means poor people cannot participate. It is quite simply a hard problem to solve (that I feel should not be solved this way). I've always been fond of how Korea does MMO accounts (supposedly): Government ID based, so if you get banned you are gone forever.
      - usrbinbash 5y ago
        > It is quite simply a hard problem to solve We already have a solution to this problem: It's the internet as it is right now.
  - malermeister 5y ago
    Now imagine living in Bangladesh, where the average yearly wage is around 1000 USD. Is the opinion of some tech bro in the Bay Area making six figures really worth a hundred times as much? Do they have a hundred times as much to say or are they a hundred times as insightful? Or maybe, just maybe, tying all participation to a monetary transaction is an incredibly classist thing to do that will shut out vast portions of the world so the rich and privileged can feel "free".
5350-uiop-1130 5y ago
well if you know about proof-of-stake, then you know that he who has the gold makes the rules. it's nothing new. wealth begets wealth.
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protoman3000 5y ago
Comments like these show that Hacker News has jumped over the shark. There is no inherent fake news protection, just like pointers don’t validate the underlying data.
haxiomic 5y ago
I think if we've learned anything so far from this decade long experiment it's financialization incentivises spam and low quality content like nothing before! The best creative communities I've been involved in make a point to avoid financialization which in turn keeps away a certain group of people who only engage for money
chrismorgan 5y ago
FYI: proof of work for spam protection has been around since the late ’90s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash. Bitcoin explicitly built on top of that work. In a vacuum, it’s a nice idea, but in practice the problems are more social than technical, and such solutions as these never pan out at scale. If you’re interested in learning more, read up on the term for this phenomenon (coined because enthusiastic proposals happen with monotonous regularity): Final Ultimate Solution to the Spam Problem. https://www.dmuth.org/fussp/ https://www.dmuth.org/fussp/ is a decent starting point.

can16358p 5y ago

Just with everything with potential revolutionary impact, it will be hated with harsh criticism. We're exactly at that period with web3: haters gonna hate and early adopters will be rewarded.

Double_a_92 5y ago
People don't just hate for the sake of hating. They see flaws and react to them... While some people just tell them not to worry about them because "they will be rewarded".
- can16358p 5y ago
  You think I don't see the flaws? I've been seeing all the Ponzis, P&D groups, shitcoins/memecoins, inflated prices around NFTs for the sake of flipping, scam ICOs and rug pulls, yields and stakes and the unfulfillable promises, and most importantly environmental impact of PoW. Yet I still think benefits and the potential impact (which is not theoretical, just needing a bit more mass adoption to take off) greatly outweigh the negative sides.
  - usrbinbash 5y ago
    What benefits are those exactly?
    - can16358p 5y ago
      These: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30682731#30683423 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30682731#30683423
      - usrbinbash 5y ago
        But none of that requires a Blorkchain to do. Just because Blorkchains can solve a given problem, doesn't mean it's the best, or only solution. One could design a notetaking app using remote controlled combine-harvesters that mow the notes into prepared fields of wheat serving as storage media, and camera drones to read the information back. Doesn't mean it makes sense to do so.
        can16358p 5y ago
        I agree with overengineering part where people try to blockchain-ize everything for the sake of doing it (and raising money). On the other hand, I still believe my example about freedom is still a perfect use case of it and I don't know other ways of doing it.
        usrbinbash 5y ago
        > I still believe my example about freedom is still a perfect use case of it How exactly does the blorkchain or "web3" achive that? There still needs to be a host for the webapps through which it's accessed. There still need to be DNS entries. The people acessing it are still doing so via ISPs. All these are gatekeepers, which an authoritarian regime has control over. Gatekeepers don't go away just because the service decides to use a distributed ledger.
        can16358p 5y ago
        While in theory authorities could control everything obviously, if there are more real world apps that majority of the world starts using on those platforms, and more layers of protection something comparable to Tor, it will be inconvenient for state actors to block it all and they'll need to give up at some point or otherwise if they try to control they either lag behind by blocking it all or need to consume enormous resources to track people. Oh BTW if you want people to take your comments more seriously you can stop deliberately misspelling names of technologies.
cuteboy19 5y ago
> haters gonna hate This is a thought terminating idea, as much as I like TS. There is a good reason why people dislike it. Maybe consider understanding their points
- can16358p 5y ago
  Well I wrote it all after seeing all the "good reason"s of people disliking it. I've been into crypto for almost 9 years and saw good and the bad sides of it, and result: I see no real reason for hating crypto other than missing the boat. Criticizing is okay, there's a lot to criticize about crypto. But I see a rush of hatestorm on crypto everyday here on HN which I frankly think pointless.

AlchemistCamp 5y ago

Not only that but they're unaware that "Web 3.0" was the semantic web, envisioned by Tim Berners-Lee over a decade ago. The blockchain web is "web3", named after the library in Ethereum. Web 3.0 and web3 are very different ideas.

laerus 5y ago
Tim Berners-Lee ?
- AlchemistCamp 5y ago
  Yes, fixed it. Thank you.
Netcob 5y ago
I'm looking forward to reading this exact text a million times.
- ohgodplsno 5y ago
  Copypastas are getting less funny now that it's cryptobros posting them :(
  - AlchemistCamp 5y ago
    I didn't copypasta anything and have never been remotely close to a "bro" for my entire life. I'm a language and literature-loving school teacher, turned programmer. I followed O'Reilly's Web 2.0 with great interest as a user of Flickr and Delicio.us, read about but didn't really get the whole Web 3.0 semantic web stuff, later learned how to program and much later still, learned about web3. If anything, it's my former language teacher side leading me to be irked by the Web 3.0 / web3 confusion. Honestly, your comment is needlessly hostile and offensive.
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usrbinbash 5y ago

> An example of a real value proposition of web 3.0 is spam protection and reduction of fake reviews. How? It just costs money now. Entities that want to spam and fake reviews, usually have money. In fact, the more money someone is willing to throw at it, the more reviews they get to post. In fact, with enough resources, genuine reviews (which I would be reluctant to give as a user, as they cost additional money) can be comlpetely drowned out in this scenario.

YetAnotherNick 5y ago

If you don't want anything to be copied you just not copy it, no need to create all the complicated stuff. eg I can't copy my money in my bank even though it is a digital number.

RedBeetDeadpool 5y ago
For the record, you're not the one doing the copying of the money in your bank.

ohgodplsno 5y ago

>the creator hates crypto bros so much he's willing to spend hours on end making an app to demonstrate why he's right. To be fair, hating crypto bros is a really good way of life. Mostly because crypto bros have never once in their life been right.

mcintyre1994 5y ago
I guess other than when they bought cryptocurrency as a speculative investment and outperformed probably almost every investment in history. I don't think buying crypto as a speculative investment is very exciting, but saying the people doing that have never been right isn't very convincing.

chmod775 5y ago

Would you have paid to write this comment? Would someone who has a monetary incentive to comment pay to do so?

WinstonSmith84 5y ago
Depends on the price. $10-$50 for a standard eth tx surely not. But say the equivalent of ~$0.01, probably yes. This might be enough to disincentive _some_ (a lot of?) spamming (unfortunately it's all theory as no network works like this yet)
- kreeben 5y ago
  Can poor people also participate in the web 3.0? Or is it only for people with extra cash?
  - krageon 5y ago
    Gating using money inevitably means poor people cannot participate. It is quite simply a hard problem to solve (that I feel should not be solved this way). I've always been fond of how Korea does MMO accounts (supposedly): Government ID based, so if you get banned you are gone forever.
    - usrbinbash 5y ago
      > It is quite simply a hard problem to solve We already have a solution to this problem: It's the internet as it is right now.
- malermeister 5y ago
  Now imagine living in Bangladesh, where the average yearly wage is around 1000 USD. Is the opinion of some tech bro in the Bay Area making six figures really worth a hundred times as much? Do they have a hundred times as much to say or are they a hundred times as insightful? Or maybe, just maybe, tying all participation to a monetary transaction is an incredibly classist thing to do that will shut out vast portions of the world so the rich and privileged can feel "free".

5350-uiop-1130 5y ago

well if you know about proof-of-stake, then you know that he who has the gold makes the rules. it's nothing new. wealth begets wealth.

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protoman3000 5y ago

Comments like these show that Hacker News has jumped over the shark. There is no inherent fake news protection, just like pointers don’t validate the underlying data.

haxiomic 5y ago

I think if we've learned anything so far from this decade long experiment it's financialization incentivises spam and low quality content like nothing before! The best creative communities I've been involved in make a point to avoid financialization which in turn keeps away a certain group of people who only engage for money

chrismorgan 5y ago

FYI: proof of work for spam protection has been around since the late ’90s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashcash. Bitcoin explicitly built on top of that work. In a vacuum, it’s a nice idea, but in practice the problems are more social than technical, and such solutions as these never pan out at scale. If you’re interested in learning more, read up on the term for this phenomenon (coined because enthusiastic proposals happen with monotonous regularity): Final Ultimate Solution to the Spam Problem. https://www.dmuth.org/fussp/ https://www.dmuth.org/fussp/ is a decent starting point.