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Hire in complimentary timezones so no one has to be on call at night

by bauerd 5y ago

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Arainach 5y ago
Unless you're hiring 3-4x the engineers, then this doesn't scale. I would much rather occasionally be paged at night than have to be on call all or even most of the time. Even if that "on call" was only 9-5, getting distracted and losing half a day to tracking down the latest flaky test or owner for a failing dependency really adds up and makes it significantly more difficult to do my day job. When I'm oncall, I'm oncall 24/7 for a week (30 minute SLO) and the expectation is that the amount of non-oncall tasks I'm able to get done that week is significantly impacted. I'm fortunate to work on a team that acknowledges that reality; I know many people, even at large software companies who should know better, whose management is far less reasonable.
- odonnellryan 5y ago
  It's true but most people do not have the luxury of being able to focus on a single task each day until done. If that is a requirement for you I'm not gonna knock it but I feel it is rare to get.
hawaiianbrah 5y ago
We’ve been trying to staff a 3x8 follow the sun model for over 6 months and have been unable to fill the roles in EU and especially APAC
- EdwardDiego 5y ago
  Plenty of good devs open to competitive offers down here in APAC. I joined a US company as part of a follow the sun model. Although ironically I seem to support people who are up at midnight in Europe more than in my area of the world. Happy to have a chat, see if I can offer any useful feedback :)
- Aeolun 5y ago
  Hmm, living in APAC, it seems like companies in the US are either never hiring for remote positions overseas, or offer laughably low salaries.
  - hawaiianbrah 5y ago
    Yeah, I wish I had more power here.
- onion2k 5y ago
  We’ve been trying to staff a 3x8 follow the sun model for over 6 months and have been unable to fill the roles in EU and especially APAC. Pay more. It literally solves all recruitment problems.
  - hawaiianbrah 5y ago
    Gee, I wish I could control that.
- CalRobert 5y ago
  Salaries in the EU are not what they were and have improved dramatically. I've found most companies to be wildly off the mark when making offers. Perhaps you need to recalibrate.
  - hawaiianbrah 5y ago
    It’s true, and it’s sad to see. A long time high performer on our team based in Germany makes a pittance compared to more Junior US based folks. Alas, I cannot do anything about it.

Hire in complimentary timezones so no one has to be on call at night

by bauerd 5y ago

Hire in complimentary timezones so no one has to be on call at night

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Arainach 5y ago

Unless you're hiring 3-4x the engineers, then this doesn't scale. I would much rather occasionally be paged at night than have to be on call all or even most of the time. Even if that "on call" was only 9-5, getting distracted and losing half a day to tracking down the latest flaky test or owner for a failing dependency really adds up and makes it significantly more difficult to do my day job. When I'm oncall, I'm oncall 24/7 for a week (30 minute SLO) and the expectation is that the amount of non-oncall tasks I'm able to get done that week is significantly impacted. I'm fortunate to work on a team that acknowledges that reality; I know many people, even at large software companies who should know better, whose management is far less reasonable.

odonnellryan 5y ago
It's true but most people do not have the luxury of being able to focus on a single task each day until done. If that is a requirement for you I'm not gonna knock it but I feel it is rare to get.

hawaiianbrah 5y ago

We’ve been trying to staff a 3x8 follow the sun model for over 6 months and have been unable to fill the roles in EU and especially APAC

EdwardDiego 5y ago
Plenty of good devs open to competitive offers down here in APAC. I joined a US company as part of a follow the sun model. Although ironically I seem to support people who are up at midnight in Europe more than in my area of the world. Happy to have a chat, see if I can offer any useful feedback :)
Aeolun 5y ago
Hmm, living in APAC, it seems like companies in the US are either never hiring for remote positions overseas, or offer laughably low salaries.
- hawaiianbrah 5y ago
  Yeah, I wish I had more power here.
onion2k 5y ago
We’ve been trying to staff a 3x8 follow the sun model for over 6 months and have been unable to fill the roles in EU and especially APAC. Pay more. It literally solves all recruitment problems.
- hawaiianbrah 5y ago
  Gee, I wish I could control that.
CalRobert 5y ago
Salaries in the EU are not what they were and have improved dramatically. I've found most companies to be wildly off the mark when making offers. Perhaps you need to recalibrate.
- hawaiianbrah 5y ago
  It’s true, and it’s sad to see. A long time high performer on our team based in Germany makes a pittance compared to more Junior US based folks. Alas, I cannot do anything about it.