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The community at DEF CON and other hacking cons have been playing with bio implants for some time, including low power RF. I came here to point out what you jus

The community at DEF CON and other hacking cons have been playing with bio implants for some time, including low power RF. I came here to point out what you just said - that they got caught, which signals incompetence. I do think the bio-implanted device space is going to explode at some point. Here's where I see us headed: * VR next. If you don't have an Oculus Quest 2 or realize what a game changer it is in terms of price, power and wireless usability, you really need to get one, no matter what you think of Zuck and FB. It's the next thing. And it'll look clunky as hell 5 years from now. It's the suitcase-sized laptop of the early 90s. * Once very portable VR becomes a thing, augmented reality wearable glasses. As in real-time, amazing visuals that are seamlessly stitched into your reality, and so advantageous you won't want to live without them. * Then bio-implanted augmented reality with wireless charging through the skin. That's how I see the next 30 to 50 years unfolding in terms of devices. The first step is VR as the next big platform play. Incidentally I see three spaces there: 1. VR synthetic reality. [Already here and super fun and useful] 2. 360 film [Already here but cameras getting WAY better very fast] 3. Immersive vision-based augmented reality - visuals overlaid on regular vision. [Not quite here - but we do have PoC's and will be in the next couple years]

_0ffh 5y ago
I suspect that after augmented reality wearable glasses we'll transition to AR contact lenses first, and maybe even stay there, before we go to full-on implants.
- mmaunder 5y ago
  You're probably right. At the very least the market will always exist as some folks just refuse to get a bio implant.
sandworm101 5y ago
Futurama did it. Implanted vision devices have been a few years away, for decades. The nerve-wire interface isn't a simple problem. https://youtu.be/uASUHbFEhWY https://youtu.be/uASUHbFEhWY
- mmaunder 5y ago
  Gibson did it in Neuromancer in 1984 and others before that. Even if the bio interface problem isn't solved, lightweight wearables that encompass all your vision and are super performant with a massive dev ecosystem and incredibly useful will be a reality in a couple decades.
- dmix 5y ago
  It shows the technogical plateau we're in with iPhones mostly being the same form factor.
Zenbit_UX 5y ago
I suspect VR porn will be a huge driver of this technology. The porn industry both has the money and the desire to push the envelope into new offerings. I wouldn't be surprised if pornhub invests in VR in some way in the next 5-10 years.
- oblio 5y ago
  Well, if you think about it, they were a huge driver for the web, so that would be just continuing the trend :-)
- mmaunder 5y ago
  Yeah, while most people will avoid this conversation - they were huge innovators in early eCommerce, and it's an obvious use case. But there are also other super exciting applications like dating e.g. a dating app facilitates the first date in VR and is able to provide safety controls making first-dates far more approachable and happen earlier on leading to more successful relationships.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  There's already a "pornhub" for VR called sexlikereal. You can watch videos and even connect toys that are synchronised with the video. The platform seems to be getting pretty big and even produces some of their own videos. PS explaining for a friend XD
reaperducer 5y ago
There was a dystopian poem in the 1980's that ended with someone unable to go to sleep at night because there was a constant blinking red light when he closed his eyes from the AT&T answering machine implant in his eye.
hammock 5y ago
Earpieces were alleged during the last presidential debates[1] (fact checkers said this was false), and other places[2]. How would one detect an implant? [1]https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-10-05-biden-wore-wire-with-earpiece-at-first-debate.html https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-10-05-biden-wore-wire-with-... [2]https://twitter.com/3ree6ixty/status/1352444645125414913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/3ree6ixty/status/1352444645125414913?ref...
- msla 5y ago
  Were they alleged by anyone with a shred of credibility? Natural News is somewhere below the late, lamented Weekly World News in terms of being a news source you should take seriously.
  - Beltalowda 5y ago
    Natural News is an extremely accurate source. Just take anything written on the website, take the exact opposite position, and you will be correct more often than night.
- Victerius 5y ago
  Put the presidential candidates in a debate room that's actually inside a faraday cage. Use jammers to jam radio signals.
  - dmurray 5y ago
    Or, accept that listening to and trusting a capable team of advisers is perhaps a better qualification for the role than thinking on your feet, and definitely better than being able to recall which of your rehearsed sound bites to use in response to which prompts.
  - LinuxBender 5y ago
    My personal preference would be to put each candidate on multiple 3 to 4 hour long-form podcast interviews so we can get some idea of what they are like.
pas 5y ago
for true AR did anyone finally solve the problem of how to make black light or it's going to go through a camera + processing + display?
- skykooler 5y ago
  A simple solution would be to have liquid crystals on the glasses, like electronic auto-darkening sunglasses or welding helmets. Of course, this could only change the light level of the entire field of view at once (since it's way too close to your eye to focus), but that's still useful for many things.
- withinboredom 5y ago
  I’ve always wondered this too. Once they figure how to make me feel like I’m sunbathing late night on the beach instead of by my pool, I’m sold.
- mmaunder 5y ago
  Try passthrough on Oculus Quest 2 to get an idea of how easy this is to solve. It just uses the motion sensor cameras and it's pixelated and black and white, but you get some overlays and you can get a very good idea of how quickly this will be solved in full 8k hidef with overlays that look like they belong.
boredtofears 5y ago
> VR synthetic reality. [Already here and super fun and useful] Is it though?
- prometheus76 5y ago
  Standing in your home office, sweating, with foggy vr glasses, trying not to fall down or run into walls while looking at low-poly NPCs coming at you, trying to use bizarre, disembodied "hands" to keep them away. What's not to love?
  - thebigman433 5y ago
    Have you played much VR? All of the points you made could technically be problems, but based on my experience, they really arent.
    - prometheus76 5y ago
      I have played VR. Several headsets in different setups. It's fun if you are riding a VR roller coaster or sitting in a boat as a tourist, but the only games I played that were halfway decent were Beat Saber and Alyx. Those games have addressed the controls issue better than the other games I've tried, but the sweating, fogged goggles, and the aching feet definitely still showed up in those games.
      - krageon 5y ago
        If you have not tried something with a cockpit (like Elite: Dangerous), it's worth a shot. I found it very accessible and actually quite fun, even though I hate the game outside of VR.
- phkahler 5y ago
  >> VR synthetic reality. [Already here and super fun and useful] >Is it though? Yes. The Quest 2 is incredible. No PC required, just a headset and 2 hand controllers. Games give you a completely immersed experience in a synthetic world where you can look around, explore, play, talk to other players in real time. It is here and I would call it super fun, but not useful (maybe that's what you were questioning). I think it may be a fad like the Nintendo Wii, or it might hang around to varying degrees. Maybe I lack imagination but I don't see people wearing AR glasses in public or to work even if they do become ultra-compact and awesome. Some people let their excitement lead them to believe "cool fun new thing" is somehow the magical future. I played Dactyl Nightmare (VR) back in the 1990's and have been waiting for awesome home-VR since then and quest is every bit of what I had imagined maybe it could be. But at the end of the day, rec-room paintball is just Dactly or Quake Arena. A 25yr old guy at work had to show me Mario Tennis on his Switch - it's just pong with special moves and fancy graphics. What's new is old, and I don't see any revolution with VR outside of niche applications like training and some visualization. Now get off my lawn while I go play some EchoVR.
vosper 5y ago
> VR next. If you don't have an Oculus Quest 2 or realize what a game changer it is in terms of price, power and wireless usability, you really need to get one, no matter what you think of Zuck and FB. It's the next thing. And it'll look clunky as hell 5 years from now. It's the suitcase-sized laptop of the early 90s. I just got a Quest 2, and totally agree. It's incredible for what it can do for the price. And that it's untethered. Anyone who's into tech or interested in the future of tech should get themselves a Quest 2. The immersion level of games like Superhot VR was totally mind-blowing to me. I also think it's the future of home workouts. If Peloton's not working on a VR system then they'll be done in five years.
- bdamm 5y ago
  There's a line I can't cross; I like being physical. The Internet and its medusa of services already takes me away from meaningful choices, why should I deepen that connection that feels so overwhelmingly oppressive already?
  - ASalazarMX 5y ago
    Rest assured, nobody will force you. FWIW, I'm also wary of embracing full-time VR. I'd certainly like augmented reality, but immersive VR feels like too much yet.
- mmaunder 5y ago
  Yeah Thrill of the Fight is one HELL of a workout. I keep saying this and only those who have actually tried it get it. And yeah totally agree - I think one of the biggest changes here is the price. $300 is insane for what you're getting out of the box.
  - vosper 5y ago
    I'm looking for more workout apps, so I will check that out. I've been pretty impressed by Les Mills Bodycombat, though I find the banter/encouragement of the presenters/coaches barely tolerable (I believe I can turn them off in the latest update; I'd like a switch for "style/form tips only")
trulyme 5y ago
Is there something like Oculus but... Well, in control of the user? Or at least less FB-y?
- gjs278 5y ago
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  It will come. FB is investing the big bucks but once they start seeing real success (and they are) others will see the value and start competing for real.
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xorcist 5y ago
Implants may be coming sooner or later but the rest of society doesn't stand still, and as we extrapolate trends into the future, one thing seems very clear: You will not own the implants in your body. They will be owned by a separate third party. You may still pay for them, and you may get some value out of the proposition, but they will not be under your control. That's perhaps the most important aspect of our future.
- hokumguru 5y ago
  So long as we live in a free market economy I would hope consumers wouldn't be as stupid as to go that route. Sure, with music, movies, and even electronic peripherals many people go the rent vs buy route. I imagine however that many more would have issues with ownership and bodily autonomy if the items were actual physical implants.
tsimionescu 5y ago
Never understand why people imagine this progression. I love gaming, but wouldn't really see the need to implant a PS4 into my body even if it were small enough. And outside gaming and entertainment in general, VR just doesn't have any compelling use cases. Even in gaming, VR controls are still horrible, and games are actually more limited in the range of actions your character can take - since there just aren't enough buttons on any controller to simultaneously move and interact fully enough. Not to mention that a good 10% or more of people get violently motion sick from using VR.

_0ffh 5y ago

I suspect that after augmented reality wearable glasses we'll transition to AR contact lenses first, and maybe even stay there, before we go to full-on implants.

mmaunder 5y ago
You're probably right. At the very least the market will always exist as some folks just refuse to get a bio implant.

sandworm101 5y ago

Futurama did it. Implanted vision devices have been a few years away, for decades. The nerve-wire interface isn't a simple problem. https://youtu.be/uASUHbFEhWY https://youtu.be/uASUHbFEhWY

mmaunder 5y ago
Gibson did it in Neuromancer in 1984 and others before that. Even if the bio interface problem isn't solved, lightweight wearables that encompass all your vision and are super performant with a massive dev ecosystem and incredibly useful will be a reality in a couple decades.
dmix 5y ago
It shows the technogical plateau we're in with iPhones mostly being the same form factor.

Zenbit_UX 5y ago

I suspect VR porn will be a huge driver of this technology. The porn industry both has the money and the desire to push the envelope into new offerings. I wouldn't be surprised if pornhub invests in VR in some way in the next 5-10 years.

oblio 5y ago
Well, if you think about it, they were a huge driver for the web, so that would be just continuing the trend :-)
mmaunder 5y ago
Yeah, while most people will avoid this conversation - they were huge innovators in early eCommerce, and it's an obvious use case. But there are also other super exciting applications like dating e.g. a dating app facilitates the first date in VR and is able to provide safety controls making first-dates far more approachable and happen earlier on leading to more successful relationships.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
There's already a "pornhub" for VR called sexlikereal. You can watch videos and even connect toys that are synchronised with the video. The platform seems to be getting pretty big and even produces some of their own videos. PS explaining for a friend XD

reaperducer 5y ago

There was a dystopian poem in the 1980's that ended with someone unable to go to sleep at night because there was a constant blinking red light when he closed his eyes from the AT&T answering machine implant in his eye.

hammock 5y ago

Earpieces were alleged during the last presidential debates[1] (fact checkers said this was false), and other places[2]. How would one detect an implant? [1]https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-10-05-biden-wore-wire-with-earpiece-at-first-debate.html https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-10-05-biden-wore-wire-with-... [2]https://twitter.com/3ree6ixty/status/1352444645125414913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/3ree6ixty/status/1352444645125414913?ref...

msla 5y ago
Were they alleged by anyone with a shred of credibility? Natural News is somewhere below the late, lamented Weekly World News in terms of being a news source you should take seriously.
- Beltalowda 5y ago
  Natural News is an extremely accurate source. Just take anything written on the website, take the exact opposite position, and you will be correct more often than night.
Victerius 5y ago
Put the presidential candidates in a debate room that's actually inside a faraday cage. Use jammers to jam radio signals.
- dmurray 5y ago
  Or, accept that listening to and trusting a capable team of advisers is perhaps a better qualification for the role than thinking on your feet, and definitely better than being able to recall which of your rehearsed sound bites to use in response to which prompts.
- LinuxBender 5y ago
  My personal preference would be to put each candidate on multiple 3 to 4 hour long-form podcast interviews so we can get some idea of what they are like.

pas 5y ago

for true AR did anyone finally solve the problem of how to make black light or it's going to go through a camera + processing + display?

skykooler 5y ago
A simple solution would be to have liquid crystals on the glasses, like electronic auto-darkening sunglasses or welding helmets. Of course, this could only change the light level of the entire field of view at once (since it's way too close to your eye to focus), but that's still useful for many things.
withinboredom 5y ago
I’ve always wondered this too. Once they figure how to make me feel like I’m sunbathing late night on the beach instead of by my pool, I’m sold.
mmaunder 5y ago
Try passthrough on Oculus Quest 2 to get an idea of how easy this is to solve. It just uses the motion sensor cameras and it's pixelated and black and white, but you get some overlays and you can get a very good idea of how quickly this will be solved in full 8k hidef with overlays that look like they belong.

boredtofears 5y ago

> VR synthetic reality. [Already here and super fun and useful] Is it though?

prometheus76 5y ago
Standing in your home office, sweating, with foggy vr glasses, trying not to fall down or run into walls while looking at low-poly NPCs coming at you, trying to use bizarre, disembodied "hands" to keep them away. What's not to love?
- thebigman433 5y ago
  Have you played much VR? All of the points you made could technically be problems, but based on my experience, they really arent.
  - prometheus76 5y ago
    I have played VR. Several headsets in different setups. It's fun if you are riding a VR roller coaster or sitting in a boat as a tourist, but the only games I played that were halfway decent were Beat Saber and Alyx. Those games have addressed the controls issue better than the other games I've tried, but the sweating, fogged goggles, and the aching feet definitely still showed up in those games.
    - krageon 5y ago
      If you have not tried something with a cockpit (like Elite: Dangerous), it's worth a shot. I found it very accessible and actually quite fun, even though I hate the game outside of VR.
phkahler 5y ago
>> VR synthetic reality. [Already here and super fun and useful] >Is it though? Yes. The Quest 2 is incredible. No PC required, just a headset and 2 hand controllers. Games give you a completely immersed experience in a synthetic world where you can look around, explore, play, talk to other players in real time. It is here and I would call it super fun, but not useful (maybe that's what you were questioning). I think it may be a fad like the Nintendo Wii, or it might hang around to varying degrees. Maybe I lack imagination but I don't see people wearing AR glasses in public or to work even if they do become ultra-compact and awesome. Some people let their excitement lead them to believe "cool fun new thing" is somehow the magical future. I played Dactyl Nightmare (VR) back in the 1990's and have been waiting for awesome home-VR since then and quest is every bit of what I had imagined maybe it could be. But at the end of the day, rec-room paintball is just Dactly or Quake Arena. A 25yr old guy at work had to show me Mario Tennis on his Switch - it's just pong with special moves and fancy graphics. What's new is old, and I don't see any revolution with VR outside of niche applications like training and some visualization. Now get off my lawn while I go play some EchoVR.

vosper 5y ago

> VR next. If you don't have an Oculus Quest 2 or realize what a game changer it is in terms of price, power and wireless usability, you really need to get one, no matter what you think of Zuck and FB. It's the next thing. And it'll look clunky as hell 5 years from now. It's the suitcase-sized laptop of the early 90s. I just got a Quest 2, and totally agree. It's incredible for what it can do for the price. And that it's untethered. Anyone who's into tech or interested in the future of tech should get themselves a Quest 2. The immersion level of games like Superhot VR was totally mind-blowing to me. I also think it's the future of home workouts. If Peloton's not working on a VR system then they'll be done in five years.

bdamm 5y ago
There's a line I can't cross; I like being physical. The Internet and its medusa of services already takes me away from meaningful choices, why should I deepen that connection that feels so overwhelmingly oppressive already?
- ASalazarMX 5y ago
  Rest assured, nobody will force you. FWIW, I'm also wary of embracing full-time VR. I'd certainly like augmented reality, but immersive VR feels like too much yet.
mmaunder 5y ago
Yeah Thrill of the Fight is one HELL of a workout. I keep saying this and only those who have actually tried it get it. And yeah totally agree - I think one of the biggest changes here is the price. $300 is insane for what you're getting out of the box.
- vosper 5y ago
  I'm looking for more workout apps, so I will check that out. I've been pretty impressed by Les Mills Bodycombat, though I find the banter/encouragement of the presenters/coaches barely tolerable (I believe I can turn them off in the latest update; I'd like a switch for "style/form tips only")

trulyme 5y ago

Is there something like Oculus but... Well, in control of the user? Or at least less FB-y?

gjs278 5y ago
GekkePrutser 5y ago
It will come. FB is investing the big bucks but once they start seeing real success (and they are) others will see the value and start competing for real.

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xorcist 5y ago

Implants may be coming sooner or later but the rest of society doesn't stand still, and as we extrapolate trends into the future, one thing seems very clear: You will not own the implants in your body. They will be owned by a separate third party. You may still pay for them, and you may get some value out of the proposition, but they will not be under your control. That's perhaps the most important aspect of our future.

hokumguru 5y ago
So long as we live in a free market economy I would hope consumers wouldn't be as stupid as to go that route. Sure, with music, movies, and even electronic peripherals many people go the rent vs buy route. I imagine however that many more would have issues with ownership and bodily autonomy if the items were actual physical implants.

tsimionescu 5y ago

Never understand why people imagine this progression. I love gaming, but wouldn't really see the need to implant a PS4 into my body even if it were small enough. And outside gaming and entertainment in general, VR just doesn't have any compelling use cases. Even in gaming, VR controls are still horrible, and games are actually more limited in the range of actions your character can take - since there just aren't enough buttons on any controller to simultaneously move and interact fully enough. Not to mention that a good 10% or more of people get violently motion sick from using VR.