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Do it! I just moved my stuff into my own home and it's been great. Cloudflare's tunnel thing (Argo?) works a treat, but if you'd prefer a setup a bit more compl

by pkulak 5y ago

Do it! I just moved my stuff into my own home and it's been great. Cloudflare's tunnel thing (Argo?) works a treat, but if you'd prefer a setup a bit more complicated, you can use something like Rathole (which is amazing, btw) to tunnel out to the cheapest EC2/Droplet/etc you can buy.

oauea 5y ago
> Rathole What is that? Not having much luck: https://www.google.com/search?q=Rathole+software https://www.google.com/search?q=Rathole+software
- web007 5y ago
  Appears to be https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole "rathole proxy" search will find it, vs "rathole software".
- lesuorac 5y ago
  Not actually answering your question but reverse SSH is also an option. Port on a remote host (i.e. cheap vps) forwards connections to your local machine. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/46271 https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/46271
  - rapiz 5y ago
    Yes. that's an option. I should also add comparison between rathole and `ssh -R`. One reason that people keep inventing this kind of software is that `ssh -R` is slow and lacks of customization. (I'm the author of rathole)
- deleted 5y ago
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- rr808 5y ago
  I think its just Tunnel https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/ https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/
- MisterTea 5y ago
  Duckduckgo had https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole listed half way down the first page. Google search results have become jumbled garbage.
  - mavhc 5y ago
    Bing has it 3rd for [rathole software]
    - MisterTea 5y ago
      I searched for rathole by itself and it worked.
      - sangnoir 5y ago
        The signal from HNers searching and click on it may have bumped-up its ranking.It's a long-tail(hah!) search term it likely doesn't much to push it up the page.
- manigandham 5y ago
  Rathole: https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole > "A secure, stable and high-performance reverse proxy for NAT traversal, written in Rust" It compares itself to these other big projects: frp: https://github.com/fatedier/frp https://github.com/fatedier/frp ngrok: https://github.com/inconshreveable/ngrok https://github.com/inconshreveable/ngrok
dewey 5y ago
For anything that's not a hobby or personal website moving it to your home isn't really an option, for most businesses the pricing change is probably not going to make a big dent if you think about how high salaries are compared to cloud hosting costs.
- tsimionescu 5y ago
  This is quite a myth. Maybe these prices are low compared to US salaries, but in India or Romania or other big outsourcing places, salaries in the 4-5k EUR/month (48-60k EUR/year) are the norm, and it's easy to get even higher bills from cloud services if you're not very careful, even from testing and dev activities.
  - nivenkos 5y ago
    60k would be a pretty good salary even in the UK, Germany or Sweden. In Romania, etc. you're looking more at like 15-25k. Americans don't know how good they have it.
    - mistrial9 5y ago
      brutal age discrimination in the USA though
      - StevePerkins 5y ago
        And they love 58-year old programmers in Serbia? I've worked with many an offshore team, and have yet to find myself on a call with anyone over 40.
        tsimionescu 5y ago
        Actually, I haven't seen any clear sign of age-based discrimination here in Romania. There are two other factors that can give that impression, though. For one, the programming demographics are extremely skewed towards younger people. There was almost no programming being taught or practiced in 1980s or 1990s Romania (and the same is true for all of the former Eastern bloc basically), and then there was a huge burst in the 2000s as the country decided to push this particular segment (even today, you don't pay the 16% income tax on your salary as a programmer with a relevant college degree). Overall this means that there are far, far more 30-ish programmers working in Romania today than 50-ish ones. I believe the same is true to one extent or another in most of the formerly Eastern bloc countries. The second reason is less rosy. Big outsourcing firms, which make up at least a plurality of the programming market, have little need for experts. Their hiring and retention practices greatly emphasize cheap junior hires, whom they don't want to retain past some point. They will usually have a handful of seniors around for the more advanced contracts, but they don't have any reason to keep around a workforce that gains in experience. This is mostly greedy but also partly rational - unlike a traditional business where you get to accumulate valuable context as you gain experience, in outsourcing you will rarely spend more than a few years on the same project, so the advantage of having been around the company for years and years is much less.
seanlane 5y ago
For a good tunneling option, Oracle Cloud has always-free instances with 20TB/mo of outbound bandwidth.
- cute_boi 5y ago
  Imagine, Oracle doing better than the current "BigTech"
  - InvaderFizz 5y ago
    If Larry wants to have one less yacht to subsidize me and compete with the big boys, count me in. Oracle Cloud has serious issues around service and feature pairity, but if you can work around those, it's a lot cheaper.
    - jl6 5y ago
      What service issues are you referring to?
- jffry 5y ago
  Good luck actually provisioning such an instance though. At least for the past month I have been unable to actually provision one of the free-tier instances due to no available capacity in the regions I tried.
  - eb0la 5y ago
    Be careful with that! You can launch free tier instances anywhere you like in Oracle cloud, but unless they are in your home region, Oracle will charge you full price.
  - seanlane 5y ago
    I've never had problems launching out of San Jose, CA, which is the closest region to me, but I can't say I've tried others.
- Cyclenerd 5y ago
afavour 5y ago
Given that these price increases are for things like long term storage I wouldn’t start thinking about home hosting as an alternative. The whole point is having a secure backup and your home isn’t going to cut it.
- bpye 5y ago
  I’ve had pretty good luck with B2 for storage. In my case it is as an online backup for my home hosted services (storage + DB).
  - immibis 5y ago
    If it's just for your off-site backup, Glacier Deep Archive is 1/5 the cost of B2... until you need to restore it.
    - bpye 5y ago
      Yeah, I did the maths on that (and similar from GCP and Azure) and deep archive could be less expensive, but the cost of not only restore but also egress made me quite apprehensive. The current monthly cost is totally affordable and in the case I need to restore I’m not facing any additional charge… Now, I’m backing up a bit over 1TB - depending on the amount of data you might come to a different conclusion.
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        Restore by itself is just fine on Amazon. 20x smaller than on GCP. The problem is entirely egress.
- chaxor 5y ago
  I wouldn't discourage anyone from home hosting really. It's getting to be pretty clear that it's cheaper, far better for privacy concerns, and gives you much more control. It seems that companies are beginning to ramp up the prices now - since once you've put your data with them, they can increase charges whenever they like. They know they have a large portion of the population using these data storage solutions, and they're likely going to start abusing that power. If you know what a desktop is, I would suggest trying to self host - even if it's just dead simple raid10 on OpenVPN with syncthing. Heck, put one at another family members place and you probably have a more geographically diverse setup for your data than Amazon does.
LoveGracePeace 5y ago
Same here, at least for self-hosting! Although I use a cheap AWS Lightsail instance to route over Wireguard to my home machine but it's the same idea.

by pkulak 5y ago

oauea 5y ago

> Rathole What is that? Not having much luck: https://www.google.com/search?q=Rathole+software https://www.google.com/search?q=Rathole+software

web007 5y ago
Appears to be https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole "rathole proxy" search will find it, vs "rathole software".
lesuorac 5y ago
Not actually answering your question but reverse SSH is also an option. Port on a remote host (i.e. cheap vps) forwards connections to your local machine. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/46271 https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/46271
- rapiz 5y ago
  Yes. that's an option. I should also add comparison between rathole and `ssh -R`. One reason that people keep inventing this kind of software is that `ssh -R` is slow and lacks of customization. (I'm the author of rathole)
deleted 5y ago
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rr808 5y ago
I think its just Tunnel https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/ https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/
MisterTea 5y ago
Duckduckgo had https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole listed half way down the first page. Google search results have become jumbled garbage.
- mavhc 5y ago
  Bing has it 3rd for [rathole software]
  - MisterTea 5y ago
    I searched for rathole by itself and it worked.
    - sangnoir 5y ago
      The signal from HNers searching and click on it may have bumped-up its ranking.It's a long-tail(hah!) search term it likely doesn't much to push it up the page.
manigandham 5y ago
Rathole: https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole https://github.com/rapiz1/rathole > "A secure, stable and high-performance reverse proxy for NAT traversal, written in Rust" It compares itself to these other big projects: frp: https://github.com/fatedier/frp https://github.com/fatedier/frp ngrok: https://github.com/inconshreveable/ngrok https://github.com/inconshreveable/ngrok

dewey 5y ago

For anything that's not a hobby or personal website moving it to your home isn't really an option, for most businesses the pricing change is probably not going to make a big dent if you think about how high salaries are compared to cloud hosting costs.

tsimionescu 5y ago
This is quite a myth. Maybe these prices are low compared to US salaries, but in India or Romania or other big outsourcing places, salaries in the 4-5k EUR/month (48-60k EUR/year) are the norm, and it's easy to get even higher bills from cloud services if you're not very careful, even from testing and dev activities.
- nivenkos 5y ago
  60k would be a pretty good salary even in the UK, Germany or Sweden. In Romania, etc. you're looking more at like 15-25k. Americans don't know how good they have it.
  - mistrial9 5y ago
    brutal age discrimination in the USA though
    - StevePerkins 5y ago
      And they love 58-year old programmers in Serbia? I've worked with many an offshore team, and have yet to find myself on a call with anyone over 40.
      - tsimionescu 5y ago
        Actually, I haven't seen any clear sign of age-based discrimination here in Romania. There are two other factors that can give that impression, though. For one, the programming demographics are extremely skewed towards younger people. There was almost no programming being taught or practiced in 1980s or 1990s Romania (and the same is true for all of the former Eastern bloc basically), and then there was a huge burst in the 2000s as the country decided to push this particular segment (even today, you don't pay the 16% income tax on your salary as a programmer with a relevant college degree). Overall this means that there are far, far more 30-ish programmers working in Romania today than 50-ish ones. I believe the same is true to one extent or another in most of the formerly Eastern bloc countries. The second reason is less rosy. Big outsourcing firms, which make up at least a plurality of the programming market, have little need for experts. Their hiring and retention practices greatly emphasize cheap junior hires, whom they don't want to retain past some point. They will usually have a handful of seniors around for the more advanced contracts, but they don't have any reason to keep around a workforce that gains in experience. This is mostly greedy but also partly rational - unlike a traditional business where you get to accumulate valuable context as you gain experience, in outsourcing you will rarely spend more than a few years on the same project, so the advantage of having been around the company for years and years is much less.

seanlane 5y ago

For a good tunneling option, Oracle Cloud has always-free instances with 20TB/mo of outbound bandwidth.

cute_boi 5y ago
Imagine, Oracle doing better than the current "BigTech"
- InvaderFizz 5y ago
  If Larry wants to have one less yacht to subsidize me and compete with the big boys, count me in. Oracle Cloud has serious issues around service and feature pairity, but if you can work around those, it's a lot cheaper.
  - jl6 5y ago
    What service issues are you referring to?
jffry 5y ago
Good luck actually provisioning such an instance though. At least for the past month I have been unable to actually provision one of the free-tier instances due to no available capacity in the regions I tried.
- eb0la 5y ago
  Be careful with that! You can launch free tier instances anywhere you like in Oracle cloud, but unless they are in your home region, Oracle will charge you full price.
- seanlane 5y ago
  I've never had problems launching out of San Jose, CA, which is the closest region to me, but I can't say I've tried others.
Cyclenerd 5y ago

afavour 5y ago

Given that these price increases are for things like long term storage I wouldn’t start thinking about home hosting as an alternative. The whole point is having a secure backup and your home isn’t going to cut it.

bpye 5y ago
I’ve had pretty good luck with B2 for storage. In my case it is as an online backup for my home hosted services (storage + DB).
- immibis 5y ago
  If it's just for your off-site backup, Glacier Deep Archive is 1/5 the cost of B2... until you need to restore it.
  - bpye 5y ago
    Yeah, I did the maths on that (and similar from GCP and Azure) and deep archive could be less expensive, but the cost of not only restore but also egress made me quite apprehensive. The current monthly cost is totally affordable and in the case I need to restore I’m not facing any additional charge… Now, I’m backing up a bit over 1TB - depending on the amount of data you might come to a different conclusion.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      Restore by itself is just fine on Amazon. 20x smaller than on GCP. The problem is entirely egress.
chaxor 5y ago
I wouldn't discourage anyone from home hosting really. It's getting to be pretty clear that it's cheaper, far better for privacy concerns, and gives you much more control. It seems that companies are beginning to ramp up the prices now - since once you've put your data with them, they can increase charges whenever they like. They know they have a large portion of the population using these data storage solutions, and they're likely going to start abusing that power. If you know what a desktop is, I would suggest trying to self host - even if it's just dead simple raid10 on OpenVPN with syncthing. Heck, put one at another family members place and you probably have a more geographically diverse setup for your data than Amazon does.

LoveGracePeace 5y ago

Same here, at least for self-hosting! Although I use a cheap AWS Lightsail instance to route over Wireguard to my home machine but it's the same idea.