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Anal, gangbangs, humiliation and other hardcore scenes pay extra. Significantly better money than normal scenes. Take Lana Rhoades for example, an "outspoken c

• scandox 5y ago
  All that proves is that people who are messed up struggle to change their lives. The idea that someone is doing those things to make a fortune is daft. Porn is a machine that turns drug addicts into money. It's objectively bad as far as I'm concerned.
  • rasz 5y ago
    Certainly not fortune, but fame, adoration, good living, future without actual work. Rich husband, influencer career, etc. Drug addicts dont last in porn.
    • johannes1234321 5y ago
      > Drug addicts dont last in porn. The producers know. And swap them out. As long there is somebody else, who can be abused by the same promises.
    • pennaMan 5y ago
      >future without actual work Did you read TFA that goes in explicit details of the amount of actual work involved in porn?
      • ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        Probably parent doesn't consider sex work as "actual work", which is stupid. Sex work is probably the oldest form of "actual work" since modern civilization or even older.
      • rasz 5y ago
        You simply misunderstood me. Porn is treated by many performers as a gateway to larger things. Getting noticed, gaining notoriety, scoring rich husbands (footballer, Harvard professor), building "my after pron" careers like Lana.
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        • newsclues 5y ago
          Free porn online is marketing for high priced prostitution. If you have lots of money, you can have sex with pornstars for money.
    • digianarchist 5y ago
      Dakota Skye lasted quiet a long time until she OD'd. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/porn-star-dakota-skye-death-1187763/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/porn-s...
  • marcodiego 5y ago
    > Porn is a machine that turns drug addicts into money. Consider this[1]: "Belle Delphine is a hugely successful OnlyFans model making $1.2 million a month." [1] https://www.insider.com/belle-delphine-net-worth-onlyfans-dropped-out-school-why-2021-2 https://www.insider.com/belle-delphine-net-worth-onlyfans-dr...
    • Edman274 5y ago
      Yes, a single counterexample negates the general trend.
      • saiya-jin 5y ago
        I have a friend who is gay and some 15 years ago when online webcams were starting had earned enough to buy a flat and a car with this, within 1 or 2 years. Nothing hardcore. It was mostly from tips. Wouldn't be possible to earn that much now, not for same things. I guess sudden relative wealth isn't something many of these can handle properly and start doing stupid things.
    • bitexploder 5y ago
      I read that as per year at first. Per. Month. Wow.
  • lelanthran 5y ago
    > Porn is a machine that turns drug addicts into money. It's objectively bad as far as I'm concerned. Here's an idea - regulate the porn industry so that anyone failing a drug test is cannot work in it, make the tests mandatory.
    • alangibson 5y ago
      What we need is a war on drugs. We'll totally win that and there won't be drugs anymore.
      • lelanthran 5y ago
        > What we need is a war on drugs. We'll totally win that and there won't be drugs anymore. I did not express an opinion on the legalisation (or not) of any drug at all. My point is that if performers are performing only due to promise of getting their next fix, then regulating the industry and preventing them from getting hired at all in porn is a good solution. After all, what are the alternatives? Lots of industries have regulations on drug use (once again, it's irrelevant whether the drug in question is legal or not); why not add the porn industry to that list?
        • sshine 5y ago
          Maybe we can change the game-theoretic parameters of the universe to disincentivize short-term outcome optimisation.
• hnbad 5y ago
  I don't think this is your implied reading of what you present, but it's worth considering how desperate for money (or how self-destructive, either is deeply concerning) you need to be to be willing to keep going back to traumatizing experience after traumatizing experience despite being aware enough of the trauma to seek out a mental health professional. It's one thing to look at a story like this and say "oh, well, porn actresses knowingly make bad choices, I guess they just want the cash" and another to question what drives people to knowingly self-harm for money.
  • rasz 5y ago
    Its their choice. You can do 10 solo toy scenes, or one where some repulsive dude puts a toilet seat on your neck and pisses straight into your mouth. Why blame third parties for your own consensual life choices?
    • AussieWog93 5y ago
      >Why blame third parties for your own consensual life choices? Because certain people (homeless, mentally ill, dealing with substance abuse) will agree to degrading treatment that no regular person would accept. Taking advantage of someone in these sorts of situations is predatory.
      • Workaccount2 5y ago
        Its an avenue for people who consistently make bad decisions to monetize that trait. Brutal take, but I would argue it's just as valid as the opposite take: "People who helplessly fell through the cracks become victims of those preying on the weak" In reality its a mix of both and would come down to arguing over which is more prevelant.
      • ethbr0 5y ago
        And the porn industry seems designed to wash guilt. The directors just make films. The sites just host content. The viewers just watch content. But in aggregate, this system creates a huge financial incentive to exploit anyone you can. I'm all for regulation, if done in a non-puritanical, individual freedom-promoting way. People should be able to choose to be involved in producing porn. No one should feel forced into producing porn. If we, as a society, aren't willing to ban porn (and I don't think we should), then we have a moral obligation to prevent workplace exploitation in its production via regulation, investigation, and social support resources.
• AussieWog93 5y ago
  >It was so traumatic .... Lena decided to go back two more times to do more humiliation scenes with same producer. Honestly doesn't sound any different to the women who go from one abusive boyfriend to the next. There's something going on there, and I think it's more than economics.
  • godelmachine 5y ago
    Something like Stockholm syndrome?
    • dragonwriter 5y ago
      > Something like Stockholm syndrome? More like PTSD and the difficulty it can produce dealing with normal situations. Stockholm Syndrome is something invented on the spot, by someone integral to advising the police violence in question, to leverage misogyny to dismiss criticism of unnecessary police violence endangering hostages in a particular event, that remains a popular idea because media (both news and fictional) likes invoking it.
  • fellow_human 5y ago
    Trauma leads to changes in brain chemistry that can cause reenactment behaviors until the trauma gets resolved https://lakesidemilam.com/blog/trauma-stress-repetition-compulsion/ https://lakesidemilam.com/blog/trauma-stress-repetition-comp... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3330499/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3330499/
• phone8675309 5y ago
  She also was involved in a crypto rugpull that she says was a result of the community not being positive enough for her: https://youtu.be/zPLiLCmGhkA https://youtu.be/zPLiLCmGhkA So perhaps, given this dishonesty, we should consider how truthful her statements above may be.
  • AlecSchueler 5y ago
    Or maybe we should take what she's saying on a case by case basis and also recognise the effects traumatic experiences can have as the range of factors at play in criminality. To reduce someone to the position of a hard wired liar who didn't deserve compassion or a voice is very worrying especially in 2022.
• fellow_human 5y ago
  > It was so traumatic .... Lena decided to go back two more times to do more humiliation scenes with same producer. $$$$ I'm not sure if you're trying to imply snarkily that because Lena went back to do more pornography shoots that she is lying about her experience and trauma. But just in case that is what you're implying it's worth me pointing out that repitition is a very common consequence of sufferring a trauma. The mental effects of trauma cause a cycle of trauma re-enactment behaviors. https://lakesidemilam.com/blog/trauma-stress-repetition-compulsion/ https://lakesidemilam.com/blog/trauma-stress-repetition-comp... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2664732/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2664732/
  • forgotpwd16 5y ago
    What they mean is that money is that higher in those scenes that they endure to do it again even if they're traumatic.
  • candiodari 5y ago
    I think the defense from porn sites would be that you could apply this to a whole range of destructive behaviors, from self-harm, to stealing, to causing trauma in others (in fact this is considered an important factor in essentially all forms of abuse). Yes, people can use porn to destroy themselves. It's not the worst thing people do, by far. There's the occasional story of porn actually helping (you know, because money). Why should you need to prove that you're doing porn shoots for the right reasons ... and not when buying anything even remotely sharp (which may be used for self-harm), or for private sex acts (so why shouldn't there be limits on buying condoms or lube or ...)? And yet when we put it in ways that would really make a difference, like requiring when a teacher buys a "barely 18" magazine, the police gets notified. Or, in Europe, when buying or surfing to anything extreme-right (a BIG no-no for anyone in public office in many WW2 participant countries, Germany, France, Belgium, ...). That would be totally unacceptable, and yet would probably protect more people than porn regulations. And, lastly, porn (and ...) is a way people survive. If you take it away you are taking away people's livelihoods, which will have strong negative consequences for them. Is homelessness better or worse than porn? Because all these "protect women" efforts are a bit like youth care: any careful look at the alternative will make you question if these people have the good of those women at heart.
• bradjohnson 5y ago
  Your take is bad and it's gross that you think this way about exploitation in the adult film industry.
• AndrewVos 5y ago
  I actually feel disgusted sharing the same community with you.
• AlecSchueler 5y ago
  It's well documented that trauma survivors will seek out ways to relive their trauma. What you're suggesting is very dangerous and it's honestly frightening to see such an uninformed take on HN.
• dzhiurgis 5y ago
  Are these studios not responsible for traumatic outcomes tho? Or do they just weasel themselves out with contracts and jurisdictions with no such protection? Or is mental health generally not protected same as physical health?
  • rasz 5y ago
    You kinda know what is going to happen when signing to do a scene for Facial Abuse dot com (repulsive human toilet people) or kink com (someone eventually sticks a cordless drill dildo in you while simultaneously pouring liquid vax, while you are hanging from ceiling by the leg).
    • wolverine876 5y ago
      > You kinda know what is going to happen when signing In fact, many performers say they do not, and they are taken advantage of. Many say they are lied to. I've read them talk about using safe words, and the men ignorning them and cutting them out of the footage.
• wolverine876 5y ago
  Whatever you have to say, I think mocking this person is wrong. Maybe you don't mean it to come across that way, but that's what it looks like to me. Also, that's not how trauma works. People can't get out of it emotionally and mentally, like people who suffer abuse in other contexts. Also, people need money to survive, and exploitation is sadly not unusual.