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This happens all over the world, even in the Western countries.

by eurasiantiger 5y ago

nayaketo 5y ago
Does it happen with same degree and prevalence rates as the west?
solarmist 5y ago
And it’s horrific anywhere it occurs. That’s not a valid criticism.
- lukas099 5y ago
  Why is it always assumed that comments are arguing against their parent comments?
- SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y ago
hnbad 5y ago
Some (most?) Western countries explicitly have laws against this. Fun aside: I used to work at a student library and management was very clear about us not being allowed to retain government-issued personal ID cards as collateral (instead of the university-issued student ID cards) because doing so would be breaking the law. Of course human traffickers don't care about the legality of the practice, but there's a difference between something being widespread among criminals and something being culturally (or legally) acceptable without having to buy off police or customs.
godelmachine 5y ago
Western countries? Pray give us some examples. Curious to know if this happens in Canada and USA.
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  It does, but you won't know about it because they're frequently labeled as "unregistered illegal aliens".
  - jasonjayr 5y ago
    This sounds like something a law could deal with quite swiftly? "Jail time + huge fines for anyone other than law enforcement with a legal order or warrant denying access any document a person requires for travel."
    - rdtwo 5y ago
      Why not just scan all passports on arrival. Then if a passport is lost or stolen a fingerprint and biometric Id can just be used in place. The whole concept of a physical passport is so pre internet
      - api 5y ago
        Oh yes, but unfortunately the physical passport is enshrined in a ton of treaties that are very hard and slow to change. There are also some nasty privacy and autonomy implications to digitizing the passport system. This is not primarily a technical problem, but that doesn't mean it's not a very hard problem. Tech people tend to assume that every non-technical problem is easy. Often people, legal, ethical, and institutional problems are quite a bit harder than just making shit work at the tech level, and it is not just because people are lazy or inept. It's because there are loads of competing concerns and stakeholders.
        rdtwo 5y ago
        Non technical problems are the worst. The type of problem would probably take tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in manpower to fix. The amount of meetings and negotiations is probably staggering
- johannes1234321 5y ago

This happens all over the world, even in the Western countries.

nayaketo 5y ago

Does it happen with same degree and prevalence rates as the west?

solarmist 5y ago

And it’s horrific anywhere it occurs. That’s not a valid criticism.

lukas099 5y ago
Why is it always assumed that comments are arguing against their parent comments?
SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y ago

hnbad 5y ago

Some (most?) Western countries explicitly have laws against this. Fun aside: I used to work at a student library and management was very clear about us not being allowed to retain government-issued personal ID cards as collateral (instead of the university-issued student ID cards) because doing so would be breaking the law. Of course human traffickers don't care about the legality of the practice, but there's a difference between something being widespread among criminals and something being culturally (or legally) acceptable without having to buy off police or customs.

godelmachine 5y ago

Western countries? Pray give us some examples. Curious to know if this happens in Canada and USA.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
It does, but you won't know about it because they're frequently labeled as "unregistered illegal aliens".
- jasonjayr 5y ago
  This sounds like something a law could deal with quite swiftly? "Jail time + huge fines for anyone other than law enforcement with a legal order or warrant denying access any document a person requires for travel."
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    Why not just scan all passports on arrival. Then if a passport is lost or stolen a fingerprint and biometric Id can just be used in place. The whole concept of a physical passport is so pre internet
    - api 5y ago
      Oh yes, but unfortunately the physical passport is enshrined in a ton of treaties that are very hard and slow to change. There are also some nasty privacy and autonomy implications to digitizing the passport system. This is not primarily a technical problem, but that doesn't mean it's not a very hard problem. Tech people tend to assume that every non-technical problem is easy. Often people, legal, ethical, and institutional problems are quite a bit harder than just making shit work at the tech level, and it is not just because people are lazy or inept. It's because there are loads of competing concerns and stakeholders.
      - rdtwo 5y ago
        Non technical problems are the worst. The type of problem would probably take tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in manpower to fix. The amount of meetings and negotiations is probably staggering
johannes1234321 5y ago