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>if you need a local anaesthetic, it somewhat implies that you're doing dangerous stuff. It explains why porn is mostly made in low income regions like Eastern

>if you need a local anaesthetic, it somewhat implies that you're doing dangerous stuff. It explains why porn is mostly made in low income regions like Eastern Europe and South-East Asia. Lots of desperate people trying to get by who will get into dangerous activities trying to make ends meet. Although the economy is now much better than it was in the 90's, even today in my Eastern European college town, the university campuses are full of adverts for "modelling agencies" that are basically fronts for bating young women into the porn industry. Back in the 90's to the 00's, human trafficking here was rampant, with pimp gangs baiting young women from poor villages under the lie that they will work in hospitality in Western Europe to send money back home, but instead, taking their passports away, and sending them to forced prostitution in Western Europe, under punishments of beatings if they try to tell anyone or escape.

robinsoh 5y ago
> It explains why porn is mostly made in low income regions like Eastern Europe and South-East Asia. Citation needed. Your claim doesn't match commonly reported data. --- The global leaders in porn are the U.S, taking a 60 per cent share of global internet pornography, Two thirds of all U.S porn sites are hosted in California with the country hosting a total of 4.2 million domains containing porn. ---
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  "global leaders in porn are the U.S, taking a 60 per cent share " Where something is produced and where the money goes are two totally different questions
- cute_boi 5y ago
  The porn he is mentioning are toxic porn, not the normal porn, so you can't compare it like this.
  - robinsoh 5y ago
    I don't see that conditional made in his claim. I'm asking for data to support his claim, if such data does not exist than it indicates the claim is unlikely to be valid. Would you like to clarify your meaning of "normal porn" and "toxic porn", and what data exists to support your claim?
    - StevePerkins 5y ago
      As with any social or morality based topic, people drift back and forth between wide and narrow scopes. People tend to use the most extreme and narrow scope to establish a point, and then casually shift to create the impression of that point applying to the wider scope. Most of this thread boils down to "partial-birth abortion as an argument against the RU486 abortion pill" level reasoning.
- soneil 5y ago
  I think you're focussing on the wrong metric. This would be like saying that phones aren't made with slave labour because the companies are in california. There's a disconnect between where the models come from, and where the money goes.
  - yakubin 5y ago
    It has been my impression that most actors are American, followed by Russian. I couldn't find any numbers to corroborate that though.
  - robinsoh 5y ago
    > I think you're focussing on the wrong metric. I'm focussing on the claim made by OP which is contrary to what is commonly reported (I provided the paste from the news report). He stated "It explains why porn is mostly made in low income regions like Eastern Europe and South-East Asia." Do you believe OP's claim to be accurate? Could you clarify what evidence you used to form that belief?
    - netsharc 5y ago
      Geez, his metric is wonky - "made in $COUNTRY", but your rebuttal doesn't make sense either... you're looking at which country hosts the domain names of porn sites?! Nevertheless, there are a lot of Eastern European porn actresses, and also a lot of videos filmed there, because well, that's where the actresses live! It seems like a combination of bad economies and attractive[1] people - there's presumably less Swedish porn because Swedes can get rich[2] by working a "normal" job, and there's less porn from (exercice for the reader: insert a country here) because the average porn viewer wouldn't find people from there arousing. [1] Attractive for the average porn viewer. [2] Rich in the sense of being able to afford a lifestyle, e.g. brand name stuff and the newest iPhone - an average Swede can probably afford those things with a few months' worth of savings, but an average Romanian would have to save a lot longer.
      - robinsoh 5y ago
        > Geez, his metric is wonky - "made in $COUNTRY", but your rebuttal doesn't make sense either.. I did not attempt a rebuttal. I merely pasted a paragraph from a news article to point out that his claim doesn't seem to match up with what is commonly reported. Is his claim based on data? Or how about your claims? Or are both based on what categories of pornography and porn actresses viewers watch?
cute_boi 5y ago
Off Topic I abhor this concept of "Passport Confiscation". In middle east countries, this practice is very much prevalent. They hire poor people from Asia to construct roads, Fifa stadium, etc. Also, the first thing these bloodsuckers do is confiscate their passport. How is this different than slavery in China? Shouldn't we sanction such a toxic place?
- eurasiantiger 5y ago
  This happens all over the world, even in the Western countries.
  - nayaketo 5y ago
    Does it happen with same degree and prevalence rates as the west?
  - solarmist 5y ago
    And it’s horrific anywhere it occurs. That’s not a valid criticism.
    - lukas099 5y ago
      Why is it always assumed that comments are arguing against their parent comments?
    - SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y ago
  - hnbad 5y ago
    Some (most?) Western countries explicitly have laws against this. Fun aside: I used to work at a student library and management was very clear about us not being allowed to retain government-issued personal ID cards as collateral (instead of the university-issued student ID cards) because doing so would be breaking the law. Of course human traffickers don't care about the legality of the practice, but there's a difference between something being widespread among criminals and something being culturally (or legally) acceptable without having to buy off police or customs.
erfgh 5y ago
I don't understand this "taking their passports away". It's not like you're a slave if you lost your passport. Also, you can travel pretty much everywhere within Western Europe without a passport, it's called the Schengen zone.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  Except that the abused girls usually came from countries outside of Schengen (Albania, Serbia, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.) Without their passport they couldn't go back home since their stay in the west was tied to some scam employer sponsored visa. Also, you do realize that you still need your passport for identification for basically anything right? Living in Germany, the first thing you always hear when visiting any institution, police, hospital, pharmacy, etc. is 'Ausweis bitte!'. Without an ID, you will not be served unless you're in a life threatening emergency. And the girls would be too afraid to go to the authorities for help, for the fear of beatings or the pimp gangs taking revenge out on their families back home, since they knew where they lived.
  - JSavageOne 5y ago
    > And the girls would be too afraid to go to the authorities for help In which western European countries are human trafficked girls afraid of going to the police? It's hard to imagine any western European country where authorities wouldn't take this extremely seriously, and where this wouldn't be front page news.
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
      It's not about the country where this happens but in the home country where the girls' families are that they are not safe from the mob if their racket is threatened. The police from another country can't offer them protection.
      - JSavageOne 5y ago
        I see yea that makes more sense.
thematrixturtle 5y ago
Porn is not made in South East Asia because local legislation is very hostile to it, as various producer wannabes in Pattaya find out the hard way. The actual global epicenter of porn production is the San Fernando Valley near LA, where it's perfectly legal and there's a large industry offering everything you need.
SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y ago

robinsoh 5y ago

> It explains why porn is mostly made in low income regions like Eastern Europe and South-East Asia. Citation needed. Your claim doesn't match commonly reported data. --- The global leaders in porn are the U.S, taking a 60 per cent share of global internet pornography, Two thirds of all U.S porn sites are hosted in California with the country hosting a total of 4.2 million domains containing porn. ---

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"global leaders in porn are the U.S, taking a 60 per cent share " Where something is produced and where the money goes are two totally different questions
cute_boi 5y ago
The porn he is mentioning are toxic porn, not the normal porn, so you can't compare it like this.
- robinsoh 5y ago
  I don't see that conditional made in his claim. I'm asking for data to support his claim, if such data does not exist than it indicates the claim is unlikely to be valid. Would you like to clarify your meaning of "normal porn" and "toxic porn", and what data exists to support your claim?
  - StevePerkins 5y ago
    As with any social or morality based topic, people drift back and forth between wide and narrow scopes. People tend to use the most extreme and narrow scope to establish a point, and then casually shift to create the impression of that point applying to the wider scope. Most of this thread boils down to "partial-birth abortion as an argument against the RU486 abortion pill" level reasoning.
soneil 5y ago
I think you're focussing on the wrong metric. This would be like saying that phones aren't made with slave labour because the companies are in california. There's a disconnect between where the models come from, and where the money goes.
- yakubin 5y ago
  It has been my impression that most actors are American, followed by Russian. I couldn't find any numbers to corroborate that though.
- robinsoh 5y ago
  > I think you're focussing on the wrong metric. I'm focussing on the claim made by OP which is contrary to what is commonly reported (I provided the paste from the news report). He stated "It explains why porn is mostly made in low income regions like Eastern Europe and South-East Asia." Do you believe OP's claim to be accurate? Could you clarify what evidence you used to form that belief?
  - netsharc 5y ago
    Geez, his metric is wonky - "made in $COUNTRY", but your rebuttal doesn't make sense either... you're looking at which country hosts the domain names of porn sites?! Nevertheless, there are a lot of Eastern European porn actresses, and also a lot of videos filmed there, because well, that's where the actresses live! It seems like a combination of bad economies and attractive[1] people - there's presumably less Swedish porn because Swedes can get rich[2] by working a "normal" job, and there's less porn from (exercice for the reader: insert a country here) because the average porn viewer wouldn't find people from there arousing. [1] Attractive for the average porn viewer. [2] Rich in the sense of being able to afford a lifestyle, e.g. brand name stuff and the newest iPhone - an average Swede can probably afford those things with a few months' worth of savings, but an average Romanian would have to save a lot longer.
    - robinsoh 5y ago
      > Geez, his metric is wonky - "made in $COUNTRY", but your rebuttal doesn't make sense either.. I did not attempt a rebuttal. I merely pasted a paragraph from a news article to point out that his claim doesn't seem to match up with what is commonly reported. Is his claim based on data? Or how about your claims? Or are both based on what categories of pornography and porn actresses viewers watch?

cute_boi 5y ago

Off Topic I abhor this concept of "Passport Confiscation". In middle east countries, this practice is very much prevalent. They hire poor people from Asia to construct roads, Fifa stadium, etc. Also, the first thing these bloodsuckers do is confiscate their passport. How is this different than slavery in China? Shouldn't we sanction such a toxic place?

eurasiantiger 5y ago
This happens all over the world, even in the Western countries.
- nayaketo 5y ago
  Does it happen with same degree and prevalence rates as the west?
- solarmist 5y ago
  And it’s horrific anywhere it occurs. That’s not a valid criticism.
  - lukas099 5y ago
    Why is it always assumed that comments are arguing against their parent comments?
  - SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y ago
- hnbad 5y ago
  Some (most?) Western countries explicitly have laws against this. Fun aside: I used to work at a student library and management was very clear about us not being allowed to retain government-issued personal ID cards as collateral (instead of the university-issued student ID cards) because doing so would be breaking the law. Of course human traffickers don't care about the legality of the practice, but there's a difference between something being widespread among criminals and something being culturally (or legally) acceptable without having to buy off police or customs.

erfgh 5y ago

I don't understand this "taking their passports away". It's not like you're a slave if you lost your passport. Also, you can travel pretty much everywhere within Western Europe without a passport, it's called the Schengen zone.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
Except that the abused girls usually came from countries outside of Schengen (Albania, Serbia, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, etc.) Without their passport they couldn't go back home since their stay in the west was tied to some scam employer sponsored visa. Also, you do realize that you still need your passport for identification for basically anything right? Living in Germany, the first thing you always hear when visiting any institution, police, hospital, pharmacy, etc. is 'Ausweis bitte!'. Without an ID, you will not be served unless you're in a life threatening emergency. And the girls would be too afraid to go to the authorities for help, for the fear of beatings or the pimp gangs taking revenge out on their families back home, since they knew where they lived.
- JSavageOne 5y ago
  > And the girls would be too afraid to go to the authorities for help In which western European countries are human trafficked girls afraid of going to the police? It's hard to imagine any western European country where authorities wouldn't take this extremely seriously, and where this wouldn't be front page news.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    It's not about the country where this happens but in the home country where the girls' families are that they are not safe from the mob if their racket is threatened. The police from another country can't offer them protection.
    - JSavageOne 5y ago
      I see yea that makes more sense.

thematrixturtle 5y ago

Porn is not made in South East Asia because local legislation is very hostile to it, as various producer wannabes in Pattaya find out the hard way. The actual global epicenter of porn production is the San Fernando Valley near LA, where it's perfectly legal and there's a large industry offering everything you need.

SaiUEF9U6gDXHyW 5y ago