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I pay for YTM, so haven’t ever tried any of these Adblocking things for YT. I think $10/mo is pretty decent for a music service and also the removal of all ads

I pay for YTM, so haven’t ever tried any of these Adblocking things for YT. I think $10/mo is pretty decent for a music service and also the removal of all ads from YT (which includes their fairly decent library of free movies that would be ad-supported without YTM/YTP)

rahidz 5y ago
I also pay for Youtube Music/YT, but I exclusively use Vanced on my phone, as it integrates with Sponsorblock, locks in a set quality setting (unlike the actual YT app which keeps kicking me to 480p when it feels like it), removes a lot of the cruft on the home page, and as of recently shows downvotes.
- eins1234 5y ago
  Wow, how did I just find out about Sponsorblock? That makes this news even sadder. :(
  - MMS21 5y ago
    SponsorBlock is it’s own thing separate of Vanced. https://sponsor.ajay.app/ https://sponsor.ajay.app/
    - eins1234 5y ago
      Yep, I know. I was just lamenting the loss of the ability to use it in Vanced. Maybe I'll try the Youtube mobile website + Firefox.
      - btdmaster 5y ago
        See also Piped: https://piped.kavin.rocks/preferences https://piped.kavin.rocks/preferences
  - dspillett 5y ago
    I draw the line before sponserblock. At that point you are taking money directly from the content creators, not YT or other platforms. I held out on blocking ads for some time, until it became impractical to avoid drive-by attacks other ways and the amount of stalking involved got _really_ creepy. If sponsor segments irritate me enough that I'd consider sponsorblock then I choose between paying for the content directly (if a sponsor-free version is available that way) or just not consuming it (at least not from that source).
    - Zircom 5y ago
      Sponsorblock looks pretty harmless as far as affecting creators getting paid, it doesn't seem to do anything that can't be replicated by hitting your right arrow key a couple times so weird place to draw the line in my opinion. Pretty sure sponsors can't tell if people fast forwarded through the sponsored section.
      - TeeTwoLee 5y ago
        YouTube allows you to see the view drop-off at every second, so the creator of the video can see people skipping the sponsor section. I’m guessing that sponsors probably look at click through or view count. I believe sponsors that care about views will ask to see this chart in the future if they don’t ask for it now.
    - Underphil 5y ago
      How is that taking money from the creators? They still get paid, and I don't have to watch a presentation about some garbage I'll never buy.
      - dspillett 5y ago
        > How is that taking money from the creators? Long term if no one buys the sponsorships will fall off. > I'll never buy Of course if you know with absolutely 100% certainty that you'll never buy or mention to others (you might not need/want a WidgitotronAsAService, but maybe someone you know asks about them later) anything ever mentioned in a sponsor spot, then no there is no loss (and I envy your clairvoyance). I consider it a politeness to the content creators to not automatically skip the sponsor slots. I do manually ship the ones I've heard a few times already, but you never know if the next one might have some relevance. Unlike stalky ads, the sponsor slots have some chance of being relevant to what I'm thinking about while watching that particular clip.
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spartanatreyu 5y ago
It's $15 a month here. I don't think I can happily pay $0.50 every day just to be able to keep listening to the news after I push the lock button on my phone. I'd be happy to support youtube if they actually supported their community and content creators, but right now, my opinion on youtube itself is that it's hostile to anyone who needs to use it.
- sen 5y ago
  > I'd be happy to support youtube if they actually supported their community and content creators YouTube Premium does support creators, 55% of your subscription gets split among the creators you watch. The more you watch a specific creator, the more they get from your subscription. I've seen some creators say they get more from Premium users than from ad-watching users.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    Google keeping 45% of subscription revenue is even worse than the 15% to 30% of app subscription revenue they keep. For reference, Bandcamp pays creators 85% to 90% of the revenue they generate.
    - sumedh 5y ago
      I am guessing Youtube's bandwidth cost will be higher compared to Bandcamp but that probably does not justify keeping 45% of the revenue.
    - Drew_ 5y ago
      YouTube Premium offers a number of features on top of ad-free viewing including access to an entire music streaming service. It's actually a marvel that only 45% covers this.
  - spartanatreyu 5y ago
    They could give 100% of their subscriptions to content creators and I still wouldn't call youtube a supporting environment. Examples of youtube's hostility include removing dislikes to please ad companies under the guise of user safety, terrible account recovery processes and allowing copyright bots to shutdown channels by spamming claims because youtube has placed the onus of proof on copyright creators, and not the ones actually making the claims.
deworms 5y ago
Financially supporting Google is the last thing I want to do. I'd rather flush the money down the toilet than pay for Youtube.
- tcfhgj 5y ago
  Same
- mdoms 5y ago
  How about financially supporting the people whose content you consume?
  - indigodaddy 5y ago
    Valid statement. Especially considering the multiple $5 subscriptions that a lot of Twitch consumers shell out at those they watch, $10/mo to support _everyone_ you watch on YT plus getting the no ads and YTM isn’t really that bigga deal..
  - sreevisakh 5y ago
    Content creators should create a patreon account or similar. YouTube is notorious for pulling the rug from under the creators. There is no shame in not wanting to fund it.
    - mdoms 5y ago
      Many content creators do have Patreon accounts and I even support a few of them. But frankly I'm not going to subscribe to Patreon for more than a tiny fraction of the dozens of creators I watch on Youtube. I'd go broke.
  - omginternets 5y ago
    You’re implying that giving money to Alphabet is a good way of doing that. I don’t think that’s even remotely true.
  - deworms 5y ago
    Still a hard no, why would I pay when I get it all for free.
2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
Enabled the YouTube app to check it out and it's still trash. Quickly disabled. It's not about the money- it's about respecting the user. The app is so full of garbage I won't pay for it. The day they shut down NewPipe is the day I just stop using YouTube on my phone and tv.
- zachberger 5y ago
  > it's still trash > The app is so full of garbage Can you elaborate?
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
    It's just a conveyor belt of bs. I can't disable comments, chat, etc. I don't care about uploading shorts. I'm tired of constant redesigns or moving things around. I just want to see videos related to what I search for or channels I'm subscribed to. I instantly feel like I'm capital to be maximized rather than a respected user when I open YouTube. Edit: While typing this they felt the need to use a push notification for some breaking news video. Add it to the pile of bullshit.
    - ehsankia 5y ago
      > I can't disable comments, chat, etc. Comments under video are just a thin 50px tall bar, just don't click on it? Just like you don't have to scroll down on the web. Just fullscreen and watch your video. > I don't care about uploading shorts Then don't press the shorts button? > I'm tired of constant redesigns or moving things around I don't think youtube gets that much redesign. On android, the biggest recent changes are dark mode (optional), making comment section smaller actually, and the chip filtering system. > I just want to see videos related to what I search for Then use the search button, it does just that > or channels I'm subscribed to. There's a tab dedicated to subscriptions, and it only shows chronological order of videos from your subscriptions, nothing else. You can also filter by a specific channel, or by tags such as (today, unwatched, etc). > a push notification for some breaking news video All notifications can easy be blocked, either at the app or OS level. Takes 3 clicks.
heavyset_go 5y ago
YTM cannibalized Google Music, and replaced it with a service with less features. I don't see $10/mo for a lesser product as a good deal at all.
- indigodaddy 5y ago
  I agree it’s not close to as good as GPM was, but the YTP package still holds enough value for me overall..
  - jyrkesh 5y ago
    Bums me out too...I've been so so disappointed by every change between GPM and YTP/YTM, but I can't pull myself away for anything else. Plexamp is fantastic, but it's not enough catalog for me (yet?), and Family is just too good of a value.
- ehsankia 5y ago
  I'm curious what features did GPM have that YTM doesn't have?
  - Steltek 5y ago
    GPM had podcast integration. Being a cloud service, it synced state to all my devices. Until last month, kids could not use YTM. With the family plan, this was basically a DOS for years (or setup new kids accounts and lie about their age). IMO, GPM's recommendations were much better. We kept the family plan because of YTP and my wife and I still had access to music.
    - izacus 5y ago
      > GPM had podcast integration. Being a cloud service, it synced state to all my devices. Wasn't that just moved to Google Podcasts? (Although, something like PocketCasts IMO is a better service.)
      - 5y ago
freddie_mercury 5y ago
YouTube Music isn't available in my country. It is literally impossible to pay to remove ads for the 95 million people here.
- ehsankia 5y ago
  I may be wrong, but I think Youtube Premium should still be available in countries without YTM, but at half the price since you don't get the music half.
  - freddie_mercury 5y ago
    YouTube Premium is also not available.
LeoPanthera 5y ago
And it's worth remembering that some/most of that money goes to the creators of the videos you watch.
charcircuit 5y ago
It's not just ad blocking. There is a black theme which makes the background black instead of dark gray which is nice on an OLED phone. It also has the same brightness / volume controls as new pipe where you can just slide your finger on the video to change the volume instead of having to use the volume rocker. YouTube already gets money from me from taking 30% from all my superchat / membership payments.
benbristow 5y ago
I signed up for it via an Indian VPN. Well worth the (£1.30) $1.70 a month - in the UK directly it's a bit of a rip-off IMHO.
- unixhero 5y ago
  Careful, maybe they will flag your account or something.
lfkdev 5y ago
So you have sponsorblocking and the dislike addon in your Premium version? No. Thats the problem, vanced was even better than Premium YouTube. I have no problems with paying 10$, but it will still be worse than Vanced :(
benhurmarcel 5y ago
It's $12/month, not $10.
nisegami 5y ago
I've always used Vanced despite having YouTube Premium because the official YouTube app doesn't enable most of the Premium features for me without using a VPN.

rahidz 5y ago

I also pay for Youtube Music/YT, but I exclusively use Vanced on my phone, as it integrates with Sponsorblock, locks in a set quality setting (unlike the actual YT app which keeps kicking me to 480p when it feels like it), removes a lot of the cruft on the home page, and as of recently shows downvotes.

eins1234 5y ago
Wow, how did I just find out about Sponsorblock? That makes this news even sadder. :(
- MMS21 5y ago
  SponsorBlock is it’s own thing separate of Vanced. https://sponsor.ajay.app/ https://sponsor.ajay.app/
  - eins1234 5y ago
    Yep, I know. I was just lamenting the loss of the ability to use it in Vanced. Maybe I'll try the Youtube mobile website + Firefox.
    - btdmaster 5y ago
      See also Piped: https://piped.kavin.rocks/preferences https://piped.kavin.rocks/preferences
- dspillett 5y ago
  I draw the line before sponserblock. At that point you are taking money directly from the content creators, not YT or other platforms. I held out on blocking ads for some time, until it became impractical to avoid drive-by attacks other ways and the amount of stalking involved got _really_ creepy. If sponsor segments irritate me enough that I'd consider sponsorblock then I choose between paying for the content directly (if a sponsor-free version is available that way) or just not consuming it (at least not from that source).
  - Zircom 5y ago
    Sponsorblock looks pretty harmless as far as affecting creators getting paid, it doesn't seem to do anything that can't be replicated by hitting your right arrow key a couple times so weird place to draw the line in my opinion. Pretty sure sponsors can't tell if people fast forwarded through the sponsored section.
    - TeeTwoLee 5y ago
      YouTube allows you to see the view drop-off at every second, so the creator of the video can see people skipping the sponsor section. I’m guessing that sponsors probably look at click through or view count. I believe sponsors that care about views will ask to see this chart in the future if they don’t ask for it now.
  - Underphil 5y ago
    How is that taking money from the creators? They still get paid, and I don't have to watch a presentation about some garbage I'll never buy.
    - dspillett 5y ago
      > How is that taking money from the creators? Long term if no one buys the sponsorships will fall off. > I'll never buy Of course if you know with absolutely 100% certainty that you'll never buy or mention to others (you might not need/want a WidgitotronAsAService, but maybe someone you know asks about them later) anything ever mentioned in a sponsor spot, then no there is no loss (and I envy your clairvoyance). I consider it a politeness to the content creators to not automatically skip the sponsor slots. I do manually ship the ones I've heard a few times already, but you never know if the next one might have some relevance. Unlike stalky ads, the sponsor slots have some chance of being relevant to what I'm thinking about while watching that particular clip.

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spartanatreyu 5y ago

It's $15 a month here. I don't think I can happily pay $0.50 every day just to be able to keep listening to the news after I push the lock button on my phone. I'd be happy to support youtube if they actually supported their community and content creators, but right now, my opinion on youtube itself is that it's hostile to anyone who needs to use it.

sen 5y ago
> I'd be happy to support youtube if they actually supported their community and content creators YouTube Premium does support creators, 55% of your subscription gets split among the creators you watch. The more you watch a specific creator, the more they get from your subscription. I've seen some creators say they get more from Premium users than from ad-watching users.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  Google keeping 45% of subscription revenue is even worse than the 15% to 30% of app subscription revenue they keep. For reference, Bandcamp pays creators 85% to 90% of the revenue they generate.
  - sumedh 5y ago
    I am guessing Youtube's bandwidth cost will be higher compared to Bandcamp but that probably does not justify keeping 45% of the revenue.
  - Drew_ 5y ago
    YouTube Premium offers a number of features on top of ad-free viewing including access to an entire music streaming service. It's actually a marvel that only 45% covers this.
- spartanatreyu 5y ago
  They could give 100% of their subscriptions to content creators and I still wouldn't call youtube a supporting environment. Examples of youtube's hostility include removing dislikes to please ad companies under the guise of user safety, terrible account recovery processes and allowing copyright bots to shutdown channels by spamming claims because youtube has placed the onus of proof on copyright creators, and not the ones actually making the claims.

deworms 5y ago

Financially supporting Google is the last thing I want to do. I'd rather flush the money down the toilet than pay for Youtube.

tcfhgj 5y ago
Same
mdoms 5y ago
How about financially supporting the people whose content you consume?
- indigodaddy 5y ago
  Valid statement. Especially considering the multiple $5 subscriptions that a lot of Twitch consumers shell out at those they watch, $10/mo to support _everyone_ you watch on YT plus getting the no ads and YTM isn’t really that bigga deal..
- sreevisakh 5y ago
  Content creators should create a patreon account or similar. YouTube is notorious for pulling the rug from under the creators. There is no shame in not wanting to fund it.
  - mdoms 5y ago
    Many content creators do have Patreon accounts and I even support a few of them. But frankly I'm not going to subscribe to Patreon for more than a tiny fraction of the dozens of creators I watch on Youtube. I'd go broke.
- omginternets 5y ago
  You’re implying that giving money to Alphabet is a good way of doing that. I don’t think that’s even remotely true.
- deworms 5y ago
  Still a hard no, why would I pay when I get it all for free.

2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago

Enabled the YouTube app to check it out and it's still trash. Quickly disabled. It's not about the money- it's about respecting the user. The app is so full of garbage I won't pay for it. The day they shut down NewPipe is the day I just stop using YouTube on my phone and tv.

zachberger 5y ago
> it's still trash > The app is so full of garbage Can you elaborate?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y ago
  It's just a conveyor belt of bs. I can't disable comments, chat, etc. I don't care about uploading shorts. I'm tired of constant redesigns or moving things around. I just want to see videos related to what I search for or channels I'm subscribed to. I instantly feel like I'm capital to be maximized rather than a respected user when I open YouTube. Edit: While typing this they felt the need to use a push notification for some breaking news video. Add it to the pile of bullshit.
  - ehsankia 5y ago
    > I can't disable comments, chat, etc. Comments under video are just a thin 50px tall bar, just don't click on it? Just like you don't have to scroll down on the web. Just fullscreen and watch your video. > I don't care about uploading shorts Then don't press the shorts button? > I'm tired of constant redesigns or moving things around I don't think youtube gets that much redesign. On android, the biggest recent changes are dark mode (optional), making comment section smaller actually, and the chip filtering system. > I just want to see videos related to what I search for Then use the search button, it does just that > or channels I'm subscribed to. There's a tab dedicated to subscriptions, and it only shows chronological order of videos from your subscriptions, nothing else. You can also filter by a specific channel, or by tags such as (today, unwatched, etc). > a push notification for some breaking news video All notifications can easy be blocked, either at the app or OS level. Takes 3 clicks.

heavyset_go 5y ago

YTM cannibalized Google Music, and replaced it with a service with less features. I don't see $10/mo for a lesser product as a good deal at all.

indigodaddy 5y ago
I agree it’s not close to as good as GPM was, but the YTP package still holds enough value for me overall..
- jyrkesh 5y ago
  Bums me out too...I've been so so disappointed by every change between GPM and YTP/YTM, but I can't pull myself away for anything else. Plexamp is fantastic, but it's not enough catalog for me (yet?), and Family is just too good of a value.
ehsankia 5y ago
I'm curious what features did GPM have that YTM doesn't have?
- Steltek 5y ago
  GPM had podcast integration. Being a cloud service, it synced state to all my devices. Until last month, kids could not use YTM. With the family plan, this was basically a DOS for years (or setup new kids accounts and lie about their age). IMO, GPM's recommendations were much better. We kept the family plan because of YTP and my wife and I still had access to music.
  - izacus 5y ago
    > GPM had podcast integration. Being a cloud service, it synced state to all my devices. Wasn't that just moved to Google Podcasts? (Although, something like PocketCasts IMO is a better service.)
    - 5y ago

freddie_mercury 5y ago

YouTube Music isn't available in my country. It is literally impossible to pay to remove ads for the 95 million people here.

ehsankia 5y ago
I may be wrong, but I think Youtube Premium should still be available in countries without YTM, but at half the price since you don't get the music half.
- freddie_mercury 5y ago
  YouTube Premium is also not available.

LeoPanthera 5y ago

And it's worth remembering that some/most of that money goes to the creators of the videos you watch.

charcircuit 5y ago

It's not just ad blocking. There is a black theme which makes the background black instead of dark gray which is nice on an OLED phone. It also has the same brightness / volume controls as new pipe where you can just slide your finger on the video to change the volume instead of having to use the volume rocker. YouTube already gets money from me from taking 30% from all my superchat / membership payments.

benbristow 5y ago

I signed up for it via an Indian VPN. Well worth the (£1.30) $1.70 a month - in the UK directly it's a bit of a rip-off IMHO.

unixhero 5y ago
Careful, maybe they will flag your account or something.

lfkdev 5y ago

So you have sponsorblocking and the dislike addon in your Premium version? No. Thats the problem, vanced was even better than Premium YouTube. I have no problems with paying 10$, but it will still be worse than Vanced :(

benhurmarcel 5y ago

It's $12/month, not $10.

nisegami 5y ago

I've always used Vanced despite having YouTube Premium because the official YouTube app doesn't enable most of the Premium features for me without using a VPN.