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I consider clover to be a weed and go to great lengths to eradicate it. People underestimate how many people just want lawns of perfect, green, undifferentiated
by nsxwolf 5y ago
I consider clover to be a weed and go to great lengths to eradicate it. People underestimate how many people just want lawns of perfect, green, undifferentiated grass.
- goda90 5y agoWhat's the point? How does that enhance your life?
- coryrc 5y agoMight like going barefoot and not stepping on bees.
- drekk 5y agoYeah Americans not wanting to interact with pollinators is why they are disappearing from our environments. You could achieve the same thing with zero-scaping also, not like you need to waste water to create a pollinator-free zone. But then it wouldn't look the certain way you want, would it? That seems to be the main concern for Americans.
- slothtrop 5y agoAren't there plentiful suitable environments for bees outside of suburbia? I don't think the issue is lack of environment so much as herbicides and destructive habits.
- Schroedingersat 5y agoYou mean all the monoculture crop land full of insecticide? Or the overgrazed pasture with no flowering plants? Or the industrial areas? I guess those at least have the occasional dumpster from a candy factory.
- slothtrop 5y agoNo, I mean wild lands. No shortage of that in Canada. If the U.S. lacks in protected public lands so much, you're kind of fucked in this regard and others. Many cities here aren't just surrounded by farmland, but forested valleys and lakes. That's "the environment".
- alar44 5y agoLol ok.
- pasquinelli 5y agoi stepped on a bee once and only once in my life and it was on the gravelly bank of a river. you know how it's hard to swat a fly? bees aren't trying to get stepped on, abd they're watching more closely than you.
- candiddevmike 5y agoWhat a waste of time, energy, and resources to maintain something so unnatural. Truly a testament to man's hubris against nature.
- tiahura 5y agoDo you feel the same way about body odor?
- dimitrios1 5y agoOr people who live in extreme climates and rely on HVAC systems to pump air conditioned / heated air in their homes and environments the majority of the time? The reality is the majority of our modern world and lives can be seen as a waste of energy, resources, and, "hubris against nature" and it seems like there is some subjective line for each person that delineates what is too far.
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- worstestes 5y agoAre we really equating technology relevant to our survival in different climates to keeping a manicured lawn?
- sokoloff 5y agoThe overwhelming majority of HVAC energy use is for comfort, not survival.
- dimitrios1 5y agoThis just proves my point. Quite a generous framing to support your subjective view! "Technology relevant to our survival in different climates" can also be restated as "wasting energy and resources to support people living comfortably in naturally uninhabitable environments", it just depends on what degree of an environmentalist extremist you are. Why should we burn endless amounts of gas/coal/other energy when the "natural" solution is to either naturally adapt or to simply live in more habitable environments. Anyways, yes, I'll give you that comparing HVAC to lawns is silly, but it doesn't take much imagination to think of less silly examples that we accept. So my question is who draws the lines? Whose standard is the standard that everyone should follow? Manicured lawns not cool, ok. What about backyard pools? What about irrigation systems? What about drainage ditches or other infrastructure that allow for land to perk so more housing can be made available, but negatively affects downstream wildlife? Etc, etc.
- mhh__ 5y agoBut people like coldplay and voted for the Nazis! If you don't want a weed on your garden, fair enough, but what's the point of the homogenous-lawn ideal Americans seem to have? It feels like a holdover from something like cold-war cultural propaganda.
- sokoloff 5y agoWhat's the point of a manicured English garden? What's the point of a fine suit or dress? What's the point of a nice oil painting? What's the point of a Porsche 911 or Ferrari 488? People have different preferences and that used to be OK.
- pfdietz 5y agoVeblen goods. They display that you can afford them.
- nsxwolf 5y agoIn the Midwest you don’t even need a 6 figure salary to have a lawn.
- pfdietz 5y agoI wonder if there's a term for things that used to be Veblen goods, but then became accessible to the average person. Old useless antiques might fall in that category, kept around because they really meant something 100+ years ago.
- mhh__ 5y agoLawns would be like everyone owning the same model of Porsche.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y agoLike Subarus in Portland
- gordaco 5y agoI'm going to be that guy and point out that clover wasn't considered a weed until a chemical that killed clover, but not grass, was developed by Dow Chemical and the company wanted to sell it as a weed killer, so they ran a campaign about it. https://laidbackgardener.blog/2020/11/04/clover-in-the-lawn-from-friend-to-weed-to-friend-again/ https://laidbackgardener.blog/2020/11/04/clover-in-the-lawn-... The secret was to turn clover from a friend into an enemy. Pesticide companies decided to launch an intensive advertising campaign to convince homeowners that white clover was a weed that needed to be destroyed. They spent literally millions on advertising to persuade unconvinced gardeners.
- swayvil 5y agoPropaganda can turn black to white and white to black. And it propagates down the generations better than genetic damage. And we just call it "facts" or something.
- nsxwolf 5y agoThat’s great but, I independently came to the conclusion that clover looks horrible on a nice lawn.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y agoProbably not independently. You no doubt got the idea from TV, movies, etc which are basically pushing the same propaganda. You think you're above such things, when in reality you're a victim of it.
- michaelcampbell 5y ago> I consider clover to be a weed ... You and Dow chemial, who demonized this Nitrogen fixing wonder in order to make more money.