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> Russians have literally had 8 years of democracy in the past 600+ years, otherwise it's always been an autocracy. To pin this on the Russian people is ludicr

> Russians have literally had 8 years of democracy in the past 600+ years, otherwise it's always been an autocracy. To pin this on the Russian people is ludicrous. I think Russia has been consistently dealt a bad hand when it comes to leadership. And interference from the "west" has also been a negative influence in modern times. Consider Lenin[1] and western economic advice that led to the looting of the Russian state after the fall of communism[2]. [1] https://m.dw.com/en/how-germany-got-the-russian-revolution-off-the-ground/a-41195312 https://m.dw.com/en/how-germany-got-the-russian-revolution-o... [2] https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/the-piratization-russia-russian-reform-goes-awry https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/the-piratization-ru...

CRConrad 5y ago
Whom else should one pin it on, if not the people??? Constantly abetting and abiding dictatorship is ultimately the responsibility of those who abet and abide it. No Space Aliens came down in their UFOs and bequeathed enlightenment and democracy on anyone else in the world either. It's up to each people themselves.
waihtis 5y ago
I'm not pinning anything on anyone. The parent comment claimed that "Russians like strong leaders" is a falsehood yet the history claims otherwise.
- mejutoco 5y ago
  This might have happenned in the past without people liking/approving of it. History does not prove any liking here.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    They obviously liked it enough not to do anything about it.
saiya-jin 5y ago
Governments tend to reflect and represent the worst out of given population. That's why Swiss won't in foreseeable future have any dictator like Putin, and that's why Russians will never have anybody who will bring Russia into real prosperity that will actually benefit common citizens. The endless complaints about 'the others' completely mitigates the facts that its Russians who stole from Russia and made it into crap place it is now. You want a simple proof? Check nationalities of all the oligarchs, all the politicians at power.
CamperBob2 5y ago
I think Russia has been consistently dealt a bad hand when it comes to leadership. When you're dealt a bad hand, it's your responsibility as citizens to do something about it. That's the part that Russians don't seem to get. As the video describes, it's as if they they enjoy suffering and oppression. Nothing wrong with that, I guess... whatever floats your boat, no kink-shaming here. But don't expect it to catch on elsewhere.

CRConrad 5y ago

Whom else should one pin it on, if not the people??? Constantly abetting and abiding dictatorship is ultimately the responsibility of those who abet and abide it. No Space Aliens came down in their UFOs and bequeathed enlightenment and democracy on anyone else in the world either. It's up to each people themselves.

waihtis 5y ago

I'm not pinning anything on anyone. The parent comment claimed that "Russians like strong leaders" is a falsehood yet the history claims otherwise.

mejutoco 5y ago
This might have happenned in the past without people liking/approving of it. History does not prove any liking here.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  They obviously liked it enough not to do anything about it.

saiya-jin 5y ago

Governments tend to reflect and represent the worst out of given population. That's why Swiss won't in foreseeable future have any dictator like Putin, and that's why Russians will never have anybody who will bring Russia into real prosperity that will actually benefit common citizens. The endless complaints about 'the others' completely mitigates the facts that its Russians who stole from Russia and made it into crap place it is now. You want a simple proof? Check nationalities of all the oligarchs, all the politicians at power.

CamperBob2 5y ago

I think Russia has been consistently dealt a bad hand when it comes to leadership. When you're dealt a bad hand, it's your responsibility as citizens to do something about it. That's the part that Russians don't seem to get. As the video describes, it's as if they they enjoy suffering and oppression. Nothing wrong with that, I guess... whatever floats your boat, no kink-shaming here. But don't expect it to catch on elsewhere.