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Why go to the effort of doing all of this, but not use typescript? I don't see the point - they mention ignoring the build step, but it's not like that is part

Why go to the effort of doing all of this, but not use typescript? I don't see the point - they mention ignoring the build step, but it's not like that is particularly annoying at the moment, at least not in the largish-projects I've worked on (enterprise angular apps staffed by approx 50-60 frontend engineers, so fairly chunky codebase)

zapt02 5y ago
Most apps are not staffed by 50-60 frontend engineers, so simplifying for solo devs (which is by definition the majority of developers) is worthwhile.
- vinnymac 5y ago
  Most applications are certainly not staffed by large teams, but the advantages would be best seen in large codebases. Most solo developers are working on much smaller TypeScript codebases, and won't experience many issues with the build system. TypeScript is the main language that I program in every day, and I don't see the advantages of this proposal outweighing the disadvantages.
- mekster 5y ago
  I would think the opposite. Solo devs are in the most flexible state and they don't care if they need to go through a bit of inconvenience for a slight boon to code quality but say you got several average devs who can only be taught on how to do these things, it gets annoying to set it all up and make sure nothing breaks or you'll be wasting time babysitting their environment.
  - giraffe_lady 5y ago
    > they don't care if Bold to speak for the group of devs likely to have the most variety. Personally I hate twiddling with build systems and will happily write worse code to avoid it so what I do know.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    On my solo projects, I never care about JavaScript build infrastructure, it is all pure vanilaJS. It feels so liberating not having to deal with the usual mess of JavaScript toolchains.
pwdisswordfish9 5y ago
Indeed. In fact, I wouldn’t mind if the build step were made mandatory, with the form of the code that browsers interpret decoupled from the one that programmers write, so that the former may evolve at a much slower rate without constraining developers too much. Of course, that would defeat the whole purpose of the ever-continuing TC39 standardization process, so it’s not going to happen.

zapt02 5y ago

Most apps are not staffed by 50-60 frontend engineers, so simplifying for solo devs (which is by definition the majority of developers) is worthwhile.

vinnymac 5y ago
Most applications are certainly not staffed by large teams, but the advantages would be best seen in large codebases. Most solo developers are working on much smaller TypeScript codebases, and won't experience many issues with the build system. TypeScript is the main language that I program in every day, and I don't see the advantages of this proposal outweighing the disadvantages.
mekster 5y ago
I would think the opposite. Solo devs are in the most flexible state and they don't care if they need to go through a bit of inconvenience for a slight boon to code quality but say you got several average devs who can only be taught on how to do these things, it gets annoying to set it all up and make sure nothing breaks or you'll be wasting time babysitting their environment.
- giraffe_lady 5y ago
  > they don't care if Bold to speak for the group of devs likely to have the most variety. Personally I hate twiddling with build systems and will happily write worse code to avoid it so what I do know.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  On my solo projects, I never care about JavaScript build infrastructure, it is all pure vanilaJS. It feels so liberating not having to deal with the usual mess of JavaScript toolchains.

pwdisswordfish9 5y ago

Indeed. In fact, I wouldn’t mind if the build step were made mandatory, with the form of the code that browsers interpret decoupled from the one that programmers write, so that the former may evolve at a much slower rate without constraining developers too much. Of course, that would defeat the whole purpose of the ever-continuing TC39 standardization process, so it’s not going to happen.