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Unfortunately, geopolitics all but guarantee this will never happen so long as Israel is a strong western ally

vkou 5y ago
Does it have to be? Does it operate a gas pipeline that heats Germany, or something? Is it an irreplaceable source of titanium? A major wheat exporter? Is the West planning to use it as a launchpad for a war of aggression in the region?
- bradlys 5y ago
  > Is the West planning to use it as a launchpad for a war of aggression in the region? Pretty sure this was the reason. It’s a tactical piece that they want to keep control over. Everyone else in the region hates them (and rightfully so).
  - throwaway2048 5y ago
    Considering Israel does not, and never has allowed American forces to be stationed inside Israel, this seems pretty unlikely.
    - bradlys 5y ago
      You do know you don't have to have your own troops in a specific area for it to be a tactical asset, right?
    - renewiltord 5y ago
      They will do what we want when it matters. Even better that their people die in our service than ours.
  - chmod600 5y ago
    I'm not sure quite what you mean by "rightfully hates them" but it sounds pretty scary to me.
    - skrtskrt 5y ago
      they mean the west has systematically overthrown governments, strip-mined the natural resources, drawn arbitrary country borders, funded extremist groups, bombed civilian populations, gone to war because the extremists they originally backed got too strong, etc etc in the Middle East for generations then if all else fails, they do sanctions, which of course NEVER affect the ruling class, they merely provide the rulers a tool to point more hatred at the west - you think it's the ruling class that can't get diabetes medication due to sanctions? No of course not, it's the average person.
      - chmod600 5y ago
        In the comment to which I replied, "them" refers to Jewish Israelis ("Everyone else in the region hates them"). Jewish Israelis are Middle Eastern, not part of the West.
        bradlys 5y ago
        My "them" was actually a reference to the west. Jewish Israelis is a fair argument too. Both are true.
unmole 5y ago
It will not happen as long as there exists a strong pro-Israel lobby in the US. Israel passed on confidential US military technology to China and abstained in the Security Council resolution against Russia. That's not the behaviour of a strong ally.
- Fatnino 5y ago
  Israel did not abstain, they voted for. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_ES-11/1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assem... Im also interested in what you construe as evidence that Israel passed US confidential anything to China.
bell-cot 5y ago
's/so long as Israel is a strong western ally/so long as being "insufficiently pro-Israel" makes it difficult to gain or retain elective office in most Western democracies/g'

vkou 5y ago

Does it have to be? Does it operate a gas pipeline that heats Germany, or something? Is it an irreplaceable source of titanium? A major wheat exporter? Is the West planning to use it as a launchpad for a war of aggression in the region?

bradlys 5y ago
> Is the West planning to use it as a launchpad for a war of aggression in the region? Pretty sure this was the reason. It’s a tactical piece that they want to keep control over. Everyone else in the region hates them (and rightfully so).
- throwaway2048 5y ago
  Considering Israel does not, and never has allowed American forces to be stationed inside Israel, this seems pretty unlikely.
  - bradlys 5y ago
    You do know you don't have to have your own troops in a specific area for it to be a tactical asset, right?
  - renewiltord 5y ago
    They will do what we want when it matters. Even better that their people die in our service than ours.
- chmod600 5y ago
  I'm not sure quite what you mean by "rightfully hates them" but it sounds pretty scary to me.
  - skrtskrt 5y ago
    they mean the west has systematically overthrown governments, strip-mined the natural resources, drawn arbitrary country borders, funded extremist groups, bombed civilian populations, gone to war because the extremists they originally backed got too strong, etc etc in the Middle East for generations then if all else fails, they do sanctions, which of course NEVER affect the ruling class, they merely provide the rulers a tool to point more hatred at the west - you think it's the ruling class that can't get diabetes medication due to sanctions? No of course not, it's the average person.
    - chmod600 5y ago
      In the comment to which I replied, "them" refers to Jewish Israelis ("Everyone else in the region hates them"). Jewish Israelis are Middle Eastern, not part of the West.
      - bradlys 5y ago
        My "them" was actually a reference to the west. Jewish Israelis is a fair argument too. Both are true.

unmole 5y ago

It will not happen as long as there exists a strong pro-Israel lobby in the US. Israel passed on confidential US military technology to China and abstained in the Security Council resolution against Russia. That's not the behaviour of a strong ally.

Fatnino 5y ago
Israel did not abstain, they voted for. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_ES-11/1 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assem... Im also interested in what you construe as evidence that Israel passed US confidential anything to China.

bell-cot 5y ago

's/so long as Israel is a strong western ally/so long as being "insufficiently pro-Israel" makes it difficult to gain or retain elective office in most Western democracies/g'