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I'm trying https://kagi.com/ https://kagi.com/ at the moment, was mentioned here a few months back when it was still in beta and I finally remembered to switch

I'm trying https://kagi.com/ https://kagi.com/ at the moment, was mentioned here a few months back when it was still in beta and I finally remembered to switch one of my browsers to try it. So far, pretty happy with it. Before that I'd been using ddg but found myself so frequently !g that it was almost pointless. DDG feels absolutely rubbish at local searches, but I may have just lost patience with it. To be honest, I don't think DDG has a future purely because of the name. No way I'm telling non-techy friends that as I'll just get "what? Ducky go? Duck what? Are you being serious or is this a joke?"

Doctor_Fegg 5y ago
I’m delighted with Kagi. It finds the regulars I want (StackOverflow, Github, Wikipedia) just as well as Google, but is less infested with SEO spam and has a better selection of indie sites. Images and maps aren’t really up to par yet, but I mostly use OSM for maps anyway. I’ll be very happy to pay $10-$15 a month when Kagi start charging.
pverghese 5y ago
Anything that says sign up for beta to get me to provide an email and contact info, I and a lot of other people are not going to use.
- akvadrako 5y ago
  It's a beta now but it'll become a paid search. That you aren't willing to pay for search means it isn't very important to you.
  - krageon 5y ago
    > That you aren't willing to pay for search means it isn't very important to you. Or that they don't have money to throw away on things that aren't things necessary to live. Your statement is only true if the person you respond to is quite wealthy, which is a leap.
    - libraryatnight 5y ago
      Wait, why is being 'quite wealthy' necessary? Their FAQ says 10$ on the low end, 20-30$ for an unlimited offering. People of varying economic positions spend that monthly on a myriad of non-essential services. I feel like you're also playing a semantic game with 'importance' since in another comment you immediately jump to a starving person trying to choose between a premium search engine and food. We're more or less in a typical HN thread about product barrier to entry here and it feels like you're on a class crusade to get equal search results for all. Not the same conversation.
    - akvadrako 5y ago
      The target audience is professionals, where search helps them make money, which is necessary to live.
      - krageon 5y ago
        If the choice is between eating or good search, which do you think someone will pick? Is that because they don't think it's important?
        Gollapalli 5y ago
        I don’t know where you live or what your circumstances are, but $10-15/month is less than Netflix or Spotify. It’s less than YouTube Premium. All those things are essentially you paying for content in a way that results in you being less advertised to. It’s not a lot of money.
- Gareth321 5y ago
  Totally fair, but why not just provide a throwaway email if you're worried about spam or privacy? Is it the principle? I've never had a principle problem with having a login to a service. I would do so with DDG, for example, if I could customise my results better.
  - marssaxman 5y ago
    I am thoroughly sick of registering and logging in for services and will avoid doing so whenever possible.
Gareth321 5y ago
Being able to make rank adjustments is an absolute GAME CHANGER. I didn't realise just how terrible my search results were until I could have granular control over the poor quality sites which kept appearing in my Google results. It's so clear to me now that Google is prioritising advertising heavily over user experience. The recent discussion about how such a large number of Google searches include "reddit" should serve as a warning for Google to swing that pendulum back in the direction of the user experience, or they will lose people like me. I'll be paying for Kagi when it's out of beta.
jaclaz 5y ago
>To be honest, I don't think DDG has a future purely because of the name. No way I'm telling non-techy friends that as I'll just get "what? Ducky go? Duck what? Are you being serious or is this a joke?" Only as a side note/JFYI, naming something, particularly if aimed to be international/multilingual, is particularly tricky, duckduckgo may well sound funny to your friends, but - as an example - kagi (in Italy) would be pronounced the same as "cagi" which is a reknown historical maker of men underwear, to the point that "a cagi" is sometimes used as a synonym to "a tank top", and surely it would make some people think it as a joke.
- freediver 5y ago
  To solve the mystery, Kagi is pronounced kah-gee (and is Japanese for "key")
- klez 5y ago
  Or worse, it could be pronounced as "Caghi" ("you shit").

Doctor_Fegg 5y ago

I’m delighted with Kagi. It finds the regulars I want (StackOverflow, Github, Wikipedia) just as well as Google, but is less infested with SEO spam and has a better selection of indie sites. Images and maps aren’t really up to par yet, but I mostly use OSM for maps anyway. I’ll be very happy to pay $10-$15 a month when Kagi start charging.

pverghese 5y ago

Anything that says sign up for beta to get me to provide an email and contact info, I and a lot of other people are not going to use.

akvadrako 5y ago
It's a beta now but it'll become a paid search. That you aren't willing to pay for search means it isn't very important to you.
- krageon 5y ago
  > That you aren't willing to pay for search means it isn't very important to you. Or that they don't have money to throw away on things that aren't things necessary to live. Your statement is only true if the person you respond to is quite wealthy, which is a leap.
  - libraryatnight 5y ago
    Wait, why is being 'quite wealthy' necessary? Their FAQ says 10$ on the low end, 20-30$ for an unlimited offering. People of varying economic positions spend that monthly on a myriad of non-essential services. I feel like you're also playing a semantic game with 'importance' since in another comment you immediately jump to a starving person trying to choose between a premium search engine and food. We're more or less in a typical HN thread about product barrier to entry here and it feels like you're on a class crusade to get equal search results for all. Not the same conversation.
  - akvadrako 5y ago
    The target audience is professionals, where search helps them make money, which is necessary to live.
    - krageon 5y ago
      If the choice is between eating or good search, which do you think someone will pick? Is that because they don't think it's important?
      - Gollapalli 5y ago
        I don’t know where you live or what your circumstances are, but $10-15/month is less than Netflix or Spotify. It’s less than YouTube Premium. All those things are essentially you paying for content in a way that results in you being less advertised to. It’s not a lot of money.
Gareth321 5y ago
Totally fair, but why not just provide a throwaway email if you're worried about spam or privacy? Is it the principle? I've never had a principle problem with having a login to a service. I would do so with DDG, for example, if I could customise my results better.
- marssaxman 5y ago
  I am thoroughly sick of registering and logging in for services and will avoid doing so whenever possible.

Gareth321 5y ago

Being able to make rank adjustments is an absolute GAME CHANGER. I didn't realise just how terrible my search results were until I could have granular control over the poor quality sites which kept appearing in my Google results. It's so clear to me now that Google is prioritising advertising heavily over user experience. The recent discussion about how such a large number of Google searches include "reddit" should serve as a warning for Google to swing that pendulum back in the direction of the user experience, or they will lose people like me. I'll be paying for Kagi when it's out of beta.

jaclaz 5y ago

>To be honest, I don't think DDG has a future purely because of the name. No way I'm telling non-techy friends that as I'll just get "what? Ducky go? Duck what? Are you being serious or is this a joke?" Only as a side note/JFYI, naming something, particularly if aimed to be international/multilingual, is particularly tricky, duckduckgo may well sound funny to your friends, but - as an example - kagi (in Italy) would be pronounced the same as "cagi" which is a reknown historical maker of men underwear, to the point that "a cagi" is sometimes used as a synonym to "a tank top", and surely it would make some people think it as a joke.

freediver 5y ago
To solve the mystery, Kagi is pronounced kah-gee (and is Japanese for "key")
klez 5y ago
Or worse, it could be pronounced as "Caghi" ("you shit").