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Staff level. Got 3.8%. Seriously considering leaving. There has been super high turnover of other senior leaders and friends. Could literally double my total c

by iends 5y ago

Staff level. Got 3.8%. Seriously considering leaving. There has been super high turnover of other senior leaders and friends. Could literally double my total comp if I spent some time doing leetcode. Probably 20% raise without leetcode. Have some silver (bronze?) handcuffs or would probably be gone already.

kevinventullo 5y ago
No reason you can’t trade up silver handcuffs to platinum handcuffs :)
kfrzcode 5y ago
Which negotiation tactics did you try?
- iends 5y ago
  I'm not sure negotiation is the problem. My company has not been making competitive counters to anybody I know who has left for two years. I feel like a lot of the senior employees are S tier, FAANG caliber, great developers but the company doesn't want to pay for that level of talent in the current market. I also think leadership is completely out of touch with the hiring market. For example, I know somebody who was told to come with an offer if they wanted a raise. They came to their first line with an offer for 20% more plus more equity. The first line said they would match the salary, but ultimately some exec thought it was too much and only offered a 10% raise. The person left.
zamalek 5y ago
> leetcode Please just don't. You're better than that. Here's a list of companies who don't participate in this bullshit: https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards At my current gig I was hired at staff level in Nov. 190k (please, let's normalize sharing salaries) . I could do better, but I am passionate about my job for the first time in 10 years. How much do you value happiness? You're not an imposter. Especially as an HN reader (you're actually interested in your job).
- threeturn 5y ago
  I tend to agree leetcode is not always reflecting fundamental skills. Some people just freeze even if they are good software engineers. I'm wondering how to assess the ability to write some code and decent problem-solving? What is your approach?
- ozzythecat 5y ago
  The leetcode companies will pay $500K+ easy for a staff level engineer. A Senior engineer will easily pull $400K. That’s over a 100% increase from your current rate. I’d personally recommend practicing leet code, if that’s the thing holding you back… maybe 1 problem a day. By the time you actually decide to change companies, you wont be interview prepping just before an interview.
  - zamalek 5y ago
    > 500k+ Oh yes, I know, and I am envious. My soul and mental health is worth more. Solving problems makes me feel alive. Parroting answers does not. I was somewhat headhunted by UiPath. Huge money. Crazy salary. First round I had whiteboard problems with the most awesome engineer that there is. Absolutely aced that, the engineer missed a meeting over shooting shit about algorithms. Second and third leetcodes were engineers that were clearly running off known solutions, and couldn't rapport over best or alternative solutions. I absolutely made a fool of myself, and I'm really good at that stuff. Leetcode encourages parrots, and I need to believe that I'm better than that. Arriving at the thesis of a doctorate of a tenured scholar in the heat of a 1.5hr interview is hardly a representation of how valuable an engineer is. I am so glad I failed. I was kicking myself at the time for tolerating the bullshit (I had a gun/green card issues at my back), I knew that I should have walked away.
    - bpodgursky 5y ago
      This feels really confused. You know the leetcode answers are just during the interview, right? Once you get the job, it's a job that involves solving real problems.

by iends 5y ago

kevinventullo 5y ago

No reason you can’t trade up silver handcuffs to platinum handcuffs :)

kfrzcode 5y ago

Which negotiation tactics did you try?

iends 5y ago
I'm not sure negotiation is the problem. My company has not been making competitive counters to anybody I know who has left for two years. I feel like a lot of the senior employees are S tier, FAANG caliber, great developers but the company doesn't want to pay for that level of talent in the current market. I also think leadership is completely out of touch with the hiring market. For example, I know somebody who was told to come with an offer if they wanted a raise. They came to their first line with an offer for 20% more plus more equity. The first line said they would match the salary, but ultimately some exec thought it was too much and only offered a 10% raise. The person left.

zamalek 5y ago

> leetcode Please just don't. You're better than that. Here's a list of companies who don't participate in this bullshit: https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards https://github.com/poteto/hiring-without-whiteboards At my current gig I was hired at staff level in Nov. 190k (please, let's normalize sharing salaries) . I could do better, but I am passionate about my job for the first time in 10 years. How much do you value happiness? You're not an imposter. Especially as an HN reader (you're actually interested in your job).

threeturn 5y ago
I tend to agree leetcode is not always reflecting fundamental skills. Some people just freeze even if they are good software engineers. I'm wondering how to assess the ability to write some code and decent problem-solving? What is your approach?
ozzythecat 5y ago
The leetcode companies will pay $500K+ easy for a staff level engineer. A Senior engineer will easily pull $400K. That’s over a 100% increase from your current rate. I’d personally recommend practicing leet code, if that’s the thing holding you back… maybe 1 problem a day. By the time you actually decide to change companies, you wont be interview prepping just before an interview.
- zamalek 5y ago
  > 500k+ Oh yes, I know, and I am envious. My soul and mental health is worth more. Solving problems makes me feel alive. Parroting answers does not. I was somewhat headhunted by UiPath. Huge money. Crazy salary. First round I had whiteboard problems with the most awesome engineer that there is. Absolutely aced that, the engineer missed a meeting over shooting shit about algorithms. Second and third leetcodes were engineers that were clearly running off known solutions, and couldn't rapport over best or alternative solutions. I absolutely made a fool of myself, and I'm really good at that stuff. Leetcode encourages parrots, and I need to believe that I'm better than that. Arriving at the thesis of a doctorate of a tenured scholar in the heat of a 1.5hr interview is hardly a representation of how valuable an engineer is. I am so glad I failed. I was kicking myself at the time for tolerating the bullshit (I had a gun/green card issues at my back), I knew that I should have walked away.
  - bpodgursky 5y ago
    This feels really confused. You know the leetcode answers are just during the interview, right? Once you get the job, it's a job that involves solving real problems.