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I just got into the beta for https://kagi.com/ https://kagi.com/ which at this time seems at least as good if not better than DDG

by wand3r 5y ago

pixard 5y ago
They also make a (as they claim) zero telemetry browser called Orion (https://browser.kagi.com https://browser.kagi.com). It is super fast, but there's not enough trust built there yet for me to use it as my main browser. I just use it as a dedicated HN browser for now. It has sidebar tabs built in which is _the_ killer feature for me. I think Edge did this best, but I refuse to use a MS browser. I've been using Kagi full time for a few weeks now and it has been a very pleasant experience. Search results seem consistently better than DDG and my !g use is significantly down. And it is really really fast. YMMV. I'm curious if this company will survive long term. I fully plan to pay a subscription once they introduce that, but the way they describe it in their FAQ makes it sound way too niche for my taste. They should make one unified (low) price for Kagi with no search caps. And then offer a "Premium" plan with some extra features (NOT the number of searches done). Segregating into entry level and "unlimited" (horrible name btw) plans sounds like a recipe for disaster considering all other search engines are unlimited by default AND free by default. Maybe techy people will value things like no telemetry and no ads but I question if there's enough of us that value these things AND are willing to pay for this AND choose to become their customer. Good luck to them. :)
- soundnote 5y ago
  > I think Edge did this best, but I refuse to use a MS browser. Edge is a good browser, but an absolute privacy disaster. Hardware based session IDs, chatty start pages that push you to Bing, the typical search suggestions on by default. Microsoft runs their own sync backend but does not allow for end to end encrypting all data types. Among the ones not e2ee'd? Browsing history.
- webmobdev 5y ago
  > They also make a (as they claim) zero telemetry browser called Orion Would be easier to trust them if they didn't want an email ID to download their browser. Seeing that they also want to create a search engine, I suspect that your search and browsing history could be linked to it to profile you.
  - Kbelicius 5y ago
    That might be because both the browser and search are in beta. Though, since search will be a paid service they will necessarily need to have some info on the user.
    - webmobdev 5y ago
      Then zero telemetry offers no privacy advantage when they are collecting and collating even more personal data of the user!
kradeelav 5y ago
Interesting - thank you for the recommendation, just signed up as well. Found it a little cute they seem to be intentionally(?) riffing off of dogpile's old branding.
rg111 5y ago
I have also used kagi for a few weeks. The results are much much better than Google. And I am using it constantly.
raxxorrax 5y ago
Maybe it is because of the beta, but I don't like to create an account to use search.
- Pooge 5y ago
  It will be a paid service after it exits beta. I guess accounts will still be required.
scim-knox-twox 5y ago
Kagi +1 I love blocking domains without uBlacklist.
- xvello 5y ago
  +1 on Kagi for the nice UX. Also, shameless plug: you can also remove whole domains from search results with uBlockOrigin and https://letsblock.it/filters/search-results https://letsblock.it/filters/search-results Our template currently supports Bing, DuckDuckGo, Google, Kagi, Searx and Startpage. It also includes github/stackverflow presets taken from the uBlock-Origin-dev-filter project.
- hackernewds 5y ago
  Blocking domains for search results? I understand why I need a sign up to use Search, so they at least can have a subscription model - but that seems like a barrier for entry and also the necessity to instill a lot of faith into a product that hasn't garnered trust (yet, rightfully so)
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    I often wanted to ban pinterest since I cannot view the source without account anyway. So there would be sensible applications.
Pooge 5y ago
I've been using it for a few months now and I like it. However, I don't want to pay more than $100/year for a Google/Bing frontend. Startpage works quite well for that. If they made their own indexer I would go all-in, and that would justify such a high price-tag.

I just got into the beta for https://kagi.com/ https://kagi.com/ which at this time seems at least as good if not better than DDG

by wand3r 5y ago

I just got into the beta for https://kagi.com/ https://kagi.com/ which at this time seems at least as good if not better than DDG

pixard 5y ago

They also make a (as they claim) zero telemetry browser called Orion (https://browser.kagi.com https://browser.kagi.com). It is super fast, but there's not enough trust built there yet for me to use it as my main browser. I just use it as a dedicated HN browser for now. It has sidebar tabs built in which is _the_ killer feature for me. I think Edge did this best, but I refuse to use a MS browser. I've been using Kagi full time for a few weeks now and it has been a very pleasant experience. Search results seem consistently better than DDG and my !g use is significantly down. And it is really really fast. YMMV. I'm curious if this company will survive long term. I fully plan to pay a subscription once they introduce that, but the way they describe it in their FAQ makes it sound way too niche for my taste. They should make one unified (low) price for Kagi with no search caps. And then offer a "Premium" plan with some extra features (NOT the number of searches done). Segregating into entry level and "unlimited" (horrible name btw) plans sounds like a recipe for disaster considering all other search engines are unlimited by default AND free by default. Maybe techy people will value things like no telemetry and no ads but I question if there's enough of us that value these things AND are willing to pay for this AND choose to become their customer. Good luck to them. :)

soundnote 5y ago
> I think Edge did this best, but I refuse to use a MS browser. Edge is a good browser, but an absolute privacy disaster. Hardware based session IDs, chatty start pages that push you to Bing, the typical search suggestions on by default. Microsoft runs their own sync backend but does not allow for end to end encrypting all data types. Among the ones not e2ee'd? Browsing history.
webmobdev 5y ago
> They also make a (as they claim) zero telemetry browser called Orion Would be easier to trust them if they didn't want an email ID to download their browser. Seeing that they also want to create a search engine, I suspect that your search and browsing history could be linked to it to profile you.
- Kbelicius 5y ago
  That might be because both the browser and search are in beta. Though, since search will be a paid service they will necessarily need to have some info on the user.
  - webmobdev 5y ago
    Then zero telemetry offers no privacy advantage when they are collecting and collating even more personal data of the user!

kradeelav 5y ago

Interesting - thank you for the recommendation, just signed up as well. Found it a little cute they seem to be intentionally(?) riffing off of dogpile's old branding.

rg111 5y ago

I have also used kagi for a few weeks. The results are much much better than Google. And I am using it constantly.

raxxorrax 5y ago

Maybe it is because of the beta, but I don't like to create an account to use search.

Pooge 5y ago
It will be a paid service after it exits beta. I guess accounts will still be required.

scim-knox-twox 5y ago

Kagi +1 I love blocking domains without uBlacklist.

xvello 5y ago
+1 on Kagi for the nice UX. Also, shameless plug: you can also remove whole domains from search results with uBlockOrigin and https://letsblock.it/filters/search-results https://letsblock.it/filters/search-results Our template currently supports Bing, DuckDuckGo, Google, Kagi, Searx and Startpage. It also includes github/stackverflow presets taken from the uBlock-Origin-dev-filter project.
hackernewds 5y ago
Blocking domains for search results? I understand why I need a sign up to use Search, so they at least can have a subscription model - but that seems like a barrier for entry and also the necessity to instill a lot of faith into a product that hasn't garnered trust (yet, rightfully so)
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I often wanted to ban pinterest since I cannot view the source without account anyway. So there would be sensible applications.

Pooge 5y ago

I've been using it for a few months now and I like it. However, I don't want to pay more than $100/year for a Google/Bing frontend. Startpage works quite well for that. If they made their own indexer I would go all-in, and that would justify such a high price-tag.