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> ...and downplay Russia's actions in launching an unprovoked invasion I would argue it is not "unprovoked". By incorporating Ukraine, NATO will have a direct

by ZYinMD 5y ago

> ...and downplay Russia's actions in launching an unprovoked invasion I would argue it is not "unprovoked". By incorporating Ukraine, NATO will have a direct adjacent border with Russia head to head, and missiles will be placed along the border, right at Russia's doorstep, what a stupid strategy for world peace. Putin has told us over many years it's unacceptable for the Russians. Think when USSR tried to place missiles in Cuba. Edit: for folks who clearly disagree, I'd like to recommend a speech by John Mearsheimer, which is currently gaining 3M views per day, now at 19M: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

andrewxdiamond 5y ago
How does Russia annexing Ukraine solve this issue then? Wouldn’t that still be butting our borders up against each other?
malcolmgreaves 5y ago
Stop spreading Russian propaganda. It's absolutely 100% Russian aggression. They've invaded a sovereign country that they had a treaty with to not attack.
ncr100 5y ago
I disagree. Who is likely to invade a neighbor, Poland or Russia? Not Poland. So, not provocative. And Russia is definitely doing an unprovoked invasion.
sega_sai 5y ago
WTF are you talking about ? NATO explicitly said that it has no plans to incorporate Ukraine. And incorporating Ukraine was not possible given the disputed territory of Crimea. Your are just repeating Putin's propaganda here.
sidibe 5y ago
Please look at a map. NATO already has several borders with Russia.
HWR_14 5y ago
> By incorporating Ukraine, Except NATO never incorporated Ukraine, nor did they want to. Ukraine asked and were told no. > a direct adjacent border with Russia head to head There's always a direct NATO line. Ironically, if Russia annexes Ukraine and Belarus (as seems to be there goal) there will be a direct border between Russia and NATO. > It's definitely unacceptable for Russia, remember what happened when USSR tried to place missiles in Cuba? Back then long-range ICBMs didn't exist in large quantities. Nor did missile submarines or other assured second strike capability. The calculus has changed and proximity is no longer the valuable thing it once was. Besides that, NATO doesn't put missiles in every member state. They aren't in Latvia/Lithuania/etc.
diego_moita 5y ago
NATO doesn't "incorporate" countries. Becoming part of NATO is a sovereign decision for a country. But I guess "sovereignty" is an hard concept for imperialists to understand. > Remember what happened when USSR tried to place missiles in Cuba? Yes, there was no war. What is your point?
- ZYinMD 5y ago
  > there was no war You should look up "Russian submarine captain who saved the world"

by ZYinMD 5y ago

andrewxdiamond 5y ago

How does Russia annexing Ukraine solve this issue then? Wouldn’t that still be butting our borders up against each other?

malcolmgreaves 5y ago

Stop spreading Russian propaganda. It's absolutely 100% Russian aggression. They've invaded a sovereign country that they had a treaty with to not attack.

ncr100 5y ago

I disagree. Who is likely to invade a neighbor, Poland or Russia? Not Poland. So, not provocative. And Russia is definitely doing an unprovoked invasion.

sega_sai 5y ago

WTF are you talking about ? NATO explicitly said that it has no plans to incorporate Ukraine. And incorporating Ukraine was not possible given the disputed territory of Crimea. Your are just repeating Putin's propaganda here.

sidibe 5y ago

Please look at a map. NATO already has several borders with Russia.

HWR_14 5y ago

> By incorporating Ukraine, Except NATO never incorporated Ukraine, nor did they want to. Ukraine asked and were told no. > a direct adjacent border with Russia head to head There's always a direct NATO line. Ironically, if Russia annexes Ukraine and Belarus (as seems to be there goal) there will be a direct border between Russia and NATO. > It's definitely unacceptable for Russia, remember what happened when USSR tried to place missiles in Cuba? Back then long-range ICBMs didn't exist in large quantities. Nor did missile submarines or other assured second strike capability. The calculus has changed and proximity is no longer the valuable thing it once was. Besides that, NATO doesn't put missiles in every member state. They aren't in Latvia/Lithuania/etc.

diego_moita 5y ago

NATO doesn't "incorporate" countries. Becoming part of NATO is a sovereign decision for a country. But I guess "sovereignty" is an hard concept for imperialists to understand. > Remember what happened when USSR tried to place missiles in Cuba? Yes, there was no war. What is your point?

ZYinMD 5y ago
> there was no war You should look up "Russian submarine captain who saved the world"