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https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 Edit: "The US has an interest in biolabs in Ukrai
by thepasswordis 5y ago
https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148 https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1501324063926534148
Edit: "The US has an interest in biolabs in Ukraine" - I feel like this is a pretty useless nit to pick.
(Sorry for the twitter source. It's a video of Marco Rubio, a US senator, talking to Victoria Nuland)
The US is basically warning that Russia plans to release stuff from these labs and blame the Ukrainians for it. Kindof the same thing they were supposedly doing with Chernobyl. If that's Russian propaganda, then the propaganda has gotten to pretty senior levels of the state department.
edit: look I'm definitely not some Chinese misinfo spreader. I think that weaponization of social media, weaponization of the news, and weaponization of human emotion is basically the next version of nuclear weapons. That is: a new type of weapon that will (and is) completely change(ing) the war landscape. I think that sort of weapon is in use now, and the use will only increase. You've already seen Russia ban facebook for their citizens, China has their great firewall, and strict control over their citizens social media. It's here.
But I think the people who are trying to reach for these claims about bioweapons labs, or "bio labs" or perhaps no labs at all, are the ones spreading misinformation. That ambiguity and division that you are creating by spreading these lies is the problem. This desire to attack people's ability to interpret simple statements, and read the plain meaning of those simple statements is an attack on people's ability to resist this propaganda.
Does the US have "bio labs" in Ukraine? Yes. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30615313
Is the US concerned that the materials in these labs could fall into the hands of the Russians? Also yes.
These are facts. Acknowledging these facts does not make you a Q anon conspiracy theorist, a Trump supporter, or anything else. These things are just nakedly true.
Now once you've acknowledged these things as simply true, you can get to the question of "is this a problem?" - To be clear, in my opinion: no these things are not necessarily a problem. Yes the US runs bio weapons labs in Ukraine. We do it for reasons that people have indicated in some of their comments. These are defensive in nature.
There's a question about if human beings generally should be studying this, but that is independent to the question about the US running biolabs (studying weapons...so...bioweapons labs) in Ukraine. You HAVE to acknowledge these truths. It should be obvious that having a good ability to separate truth from fiction is the way to defend against the type of propaganda that I outlined above. Twisting yourselves into knots to not accidentally acknowledge some information which is blatantly true, is how the propaganda is allowed to spread. It is an attack on your sense making ability. Please stop doing this.
- whimsicalism 5y agobiolabs != bioweapons and that source does not say they are US owned or operated.
- thepasswordis 5y agoShe says that she's concerned that Russia soldiers will take control of the materials in these labs and release it into Ukraine as a false flag, and that the US is working with them to secure these places. It seems like we're getting into some really weird definitions of weapons if that doesn't count as a "weapon".
- seanmcdirmid 5y agoBiological material, especially if it is disease related, can be easily misused. This sounds like the effort the USA had 20+ years ago in helping Ukraine in securing and eliminating their nuclear arsenal. Not because the USA was interested in more nuclear weapons, but because they didn’t want terrorist getting ahold of them.
- thepasswordis 5y agoWhat would you call a lab which studies and looks to defend against diseases which could be weaponized?
- whimsicalism 5y agoBSL-4 CDC labs have smallpox, that doesn't make them bioweapon labs.
- ashwagary 5y ago>that doesn't make them bioweapon labs. Actually it does. Any lab that works on viruses of mass destruction are bioweapon labs with a trivial amount of objective shift.
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