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What is the end goal here? I hadn’t heard much about anything nuclear in years, and suddenly three nuclear threats or events in the past two weeks.

kobalsky 5y ago
media amplifying every piece of fear inducing crap spewed by both sides of the conflict. scared people watch the news more often.
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  You're not providing a counter-argument, you're just calling people idiots. That's not an argument.
  - kobalsky 5y ago
    Are you are arriving at the conclusion that I'm calling people idiots because I say that scared people watch the news more often? People get scared because no one can be informed 100% of time about 100% of the topics. When I say that scared people watch the news more often I count myself included, since this damn invasion happened I have some news channel 100% of the time because I want to know what hell is going to happen, if I have to stock up or if I need to build a damn nuclear shelter. I do think that a big chunk of the news media is composed of a band of ruthless, unethical pieces of garbage.
    - VeninVidiaVicii 5y ago
      To be fair the tone seemed terser in your first statement and I thought you were angry. Now, rereading it, I can see what you meant.
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lumost 5y ago
Russia has a military doctrine of "Escalate to De-escalate" that they adopted in the year 2000 to deal with superior forces of NATO. Basically the idea is that by escalating violence, threats, and otherwise increasing "risk" for the other side they can force a negotiated settlement that would be superior to what their actual bargaining position is. At the extreme, this is why Russian military doctrine allows the use of tactical nuclear weapons as they provide a last stop for negotiation before runaway Mutually Assured Destruction scenarios. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon#Risk_of_escalating_a_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon#Risk_o... > According to several reports, including by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, as a result of the effectiveness and acceptability of USAF use of precision munitions with little collateral damage in the Kosovo conflict in what amounted to strategic destruction once only possible with nuclear weapons or massive bombing, Vladimir Putin, then-secretary of Security Council of Russia, formulated a concept ("escalate to de-escalate") of using both tactical and strategic nuclear threats and strikes to de-escalate or cause an enemy to disengage from a conventional conflict threatening what Russia considers a strategic interest.[21][22][23] The lowered threshold for use of nuclear weapons by Russia is disputed by other experts.[24][25]
- MrDisposable 5y ago
  > Russia has a military doctrine of "Escalate to De-escalate" And we all can see how spectacularly it backfied this time – the entire nation is getting retroactively cancelled for at least a decade.
  - lumost 5y ago
    We're only 15 days into this conflict and it's already the largest war in Europe since 1945. It's highly unlikely that we've seen the peak of the conflict. The recent concerns on fighter jet deployment to Ukraine likely indicate that the EU and US are concerned that Russia may yet escalate further.

kobalsky 5y ago

media amplifying every piece of fear inducing crap spewed by both sides of the conflict. scared people watch the news more often.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago
You're not providing a counter-argument, you're just calling people idiots. That's not an argument.
- kobalsky 5y ago
  Are you are arriving at the conclusion that I'm calling people idiots because I say that scared people watch the news more often? People get scared because no one can be informed 100% of time about 100% of the topics. When I say that scared people watch the news more often I count myself included, since this damn invasion happened I have some news channel 100% of the time because I want to know what hell is going to happen, if I have to stock up or if I need to build a damn nuclear shelter. I do think that a big chunk of the news media is composed of a band of ruthless, unethical pieces of garbage.
  - VeninVidiaVicii 5y ago
    To be fair the tone seemed terser in your first statement and I thought you were angry. Now, rereading it, I can see what you meant.
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lumost 5y ago

Russia has a military doctrine of "Escalate to De-escalate" that they adopted in the year 2000 to deal with superior forces of NATO. Basically the idea is that by escalating violence, threats, and otherwise increasing "risk" for the other side they can force a negotiated settlement that would be superior to what their actual bargaining position is. At the extreme, this is why Russian military doctrine allows the use of tactical nuclear weapons as they provide a last stop for negotiation before runaway Mutually Assured Destruction scenarios. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon#Risk_of_escalating_a_conflict https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon#Risk_o... > According to several reports, including by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, as a result of the effectiveness and acceptability of USAF use of precision munitions with little collateral damage in the Kosovo conflict in what amounted to strategic destruction once only possible with nuclear weapons or massive bombing, Vladimir Putin, then-secretary of Security Council of Russia, formulated a concept ("escalate to de-escalate") of using both tactical and strategic nuclear threats and strikes to de-escalate or cause an enemy to disengage from a conventional conflict threatening what Russia considers a strategic interest.[21][22][23] The lowered threshold for use of nuclear weapons by Russia is disputed by other experts.[24][25]

MrDisposable 5y ago
> Russia has a military doctrine of "Escalate to De-escalate" And we all can see how spectacularly it backfied this time – the entire nation is getting retroactively cancelled for at least a decade.
- lumost 5y ago
  We're only 15 days into this conflict and it's already the largest war in Europe since 1945. It's highly unlikely that we've seen the peak of the conflict. The recent concerns on fighter jet deployment to Ukraine likely indicate that the EU and US are concerned that Russia may yet escalate further.