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There was WW1 and WW2, there was cold war 1, and there will be cold war 2. I would also guess that Chinese authorities could easily "trigger" the DOJ to punish

by jokoon 5y ago

There was WW1 and WW2, there was cold war 1, and there will be cold war 2. I would also guess that Chinese authorities could easily "trigger" the DOJ to punish a Chinese national. Once paranoia sets in, it benefits China too.

cik2e 5y ago
I think Cold War 2 has already begun. I just don't see how the pre-invasion state of affairs could be restored in any realistic scenario. To hit the undo button Putin would have to stop the invasion, profusely apologize, pay reparations and make other concessions like returning Crimea. And of course he will do nothing of the sort. There's no scenario that I see under which which Putin is still running Russia and it stops being an international pariah.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  Cold War 2 began in the 90's. It just isn't as public as Cold War 1.
  - birdyrooster 5y ago
    Not sure why you are being voted down. I think it's clear that Russia's invasion of Chechnya triggered NATO to join a bunch of ex-warsaw pact countries. That was a further escalation which then caused Putin to feel excused to invade Georgia and Ukraine.
- bilbo0s 5y ago
  Just my own prediction, but I suspect even after Putin is gone, the position of the Russian state vis-a-vis its buffer zones will remain unchanged. I've seen this before on smaller scales in Iraq, and Afghanistan. We take out the leaders, but the perceived grievances remain unchanged. In fact I was a bit surprised because I thought that, at a minimum, the grievance would change to "you killed our leader". It didn't happen that way at all. I bet the same thing happens in Russia. I honestly hope that our policymakers have more of a plan B in place than they have had with other conflicts. Just in case this turns out to be a concern that drives a leader and not a leader that drives a concern. Because though I'm sure we all would've lost friends or family in either case, at least there would have been a chance in hell of victory against the latter.
  - zmgsabst 5y ago
calyth2018 5y ago
A far more likely case is that after seeing the discord sown by the DOJ, the Chinese authorities would try and entice the scientists. The fact that Hu goes back to U of Tennessee to protect his reputation is a bit like battered spouse. I would have sued the university to repair all my equipment and never return to a place that gave shit advice, thrown me under the bus at the earliest opportunity, and didn't even offer an apology.
- bongoman37 5y ago

by jokoon 5y ago

cik2e 5y ago

I think Cold War 2 has already begun. I just don't see how the pre-invasion state of affairs could be restored in any realistic scenario. To hit the undo button Putin would have to stop the invasion, profusely apologize, pay reparations and make other concessions like returning Crimea. And of course he will do nothing of the sort. There's no scenario that I see under which which Putin is still running Russia and it stops being an international pariah.

jacquesm 5y ago
Cold War 2 began in the 90's. It just isn't as public as Cold War 1.
- birdyrooster 5y ago
  Not sure why you are being voted down. I think it's clear that Russia's invasion of Chechnya triggered NATO to join a bunch of ex-warsaw pact countries. That was a further escalation which then caused Putin to feel excused to invade Georgia and Ukraine.
bilbo0s 5y ago
Just my own prediction, but I suspect even after Putin is gone, the position of the Russian state vis-a-vis its buffer zones will remain unchanged. I've seen this before on smaller scales in Iraq, and Afghanistan. We take out the leaders, but the perceived grievances remain unchanged. In fact I was a bit surprised because I thought that, at a minimum, the grievance would change to "you killed our leader". It didn't happen that way at all. I bet the same thing happens in Russia. I honestly hope that our policymakers have more of a plan B in place than they have had with other conflicts. Just in case this turns out to be a concern that drives a leader and not a leader that drives a concern. Because though I'm sure we all would've lost friends or family in either case, at least there would have been a chance in hell of victory against the latter.
- zmgsabst 5y ago

calyth2018 5y ago

A far more likely case is that after seeing the discord sown by the DOJ, the Chinese authorities would try and entice the scientists. The fact that Hu goes back to U of Tennessee to protect his reputation is a bit like battered spouse. I would have sued the university to repair all my equipment and never return to a place that gave shit advice, thrown me under the bus at the earliest opportunity, and didn't even offer an apology.

bongoman37 5y ago